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asked Oct 18, 2007 at 1:52pm
Epson Epson Stylus C84

Lexmark Using Inkjet Cartridge Chips AND Spyware?

I bought this printer in July and at first I thought that this was a great deal.

A month later I try to refill the cartridge and guess what I discover. This printer monitors the cartridge ink level and there is no way to bypass it. I cant seem to find anything on google.

1.I first try closing all lexmark programs running in the background using enditall2. DIDDNT FIX PROBLEM

2.Next I tried to uninstall the Lexmark software and reinstall.
DID NOT FIX PROBLEM

3.When that did not work I tried to see if I could have just the printer drivers installed and not the lexmark software so what I did was unpacked all the files from the EXE archive and manually installed the drivers using the windows control panel but whatever I do the installation of the drivers it automatically invokes the printer software installation. DID NOT FIX PROBLEM

4. I then installed the printer on a new freshly formatted machine and amazingly it remembered the exact cartridge levels. DID NOT FIX PROBLEM

5. I tried a method someone else suggested here by removing the cartridges and unplugging the printer and letting it discharge for an hour. I repeated this 10 times in a row. I then left the printer unplugged for 2 weeks. At the end of the two weeks I reinstalled the cartridges and plugged in the printer along with installing the printer on a THIRD freshly formatted PC and it STILL remembers the cartridges! DID NOT FIX PROBLEM

6. I went out and bought a new cartridge and the ink counter finally reset and checked if it remembered the ink level on the old cartridge and it did.

After I did this test I realized I diddnt check to see if after I uninstalled the software if it left any files or registry entries on the pc and lo and behold it did.

In the program files folder it originally had a folder called "Lexmark 1300 series" and a folder called "lx_cats". After uninstalling I discovered that the lx_cats folder remains. In the folder there is an XML file, a DAT file which when opened in notepad reveals something very shocking, and an ini file apparently telling the lexmark software to send the dat file to a lexmark site. (I will post the contents of the file when I get a chance)

The DAT file contains the serial number of my printer, the serial number for the cartridges that have been installed, the amount of ink remaining, the amount of ink dropped from the cartridges, the install dates of the cartridges as well at other tidbits of info. I will post the contents of the file when I get a chance.

This makes me wonder that if the printer remembered the cartridge ink level on the second and third pcs, there must be some memory chip on the printer or the cartridge that remembers this info.

Later on I took the risk and opened the printer up and I discovered even more shocking things. First of all I did locate a memory chip but im not sure if its the firmware chip or this "cartridge memory chip". I have the model of the chip as well as a datasheet on it which will be posted when I get access to the other computer. There were some other chips but they were being covered with a metal shield which requires desoldering in order to remove. If this thread gets popular enough I will desolder it as well as take scans of the chips.

I also discovered that instead of using a waste ink pad the printer has a tiny plastic rotating petri dish to collect waste ink. Is this a normal thing in printers?? It was already half full after one cartridge!!!

If you google lx_cats you find info on the contents being spyware.
Man all this is really shocking.

And I thought all my printer nightmares were over when I finally chucked the Epson C84 and Epson CX4600 durabrite models :)
Thank you so much for your research about the Lexmark Z1300. Unless you are able to come up with a solution to the spyware and chips in the printer, I guess I'd better just get another printer that accepts refills.

Let me know when you get more info. I hear that there may be a clip on device that can cover the old external cartridge chips, thus resetting the cartridge; this device costs over $10 thus negating the refill solution.

Lexmark does tell you on their site that the cartridge is non-refillable. I'm sorry that they did not put it on the outside of the box for customers to see before purchasing:)
by BuzzBaum on Oct 24, 2007 at 9:40am Add comment
Hey, I really appreciated your post. Made me feel a bit better about my situation. I've been buying Lexmark printers for years, and taught myself how to refill the cartridges long before it became popular. I bought myself a Lexmark X3550 scanner-printer a couple of weeks ago, and I'll be god-damned if I can get it to reset the ink levels. I've tried everything: uninstall/reinstall software; registry purge; web searches; everything but dismantle the frickin' machine itself. The Lexmark site says that their printers don't contain ink-sensing gauges -- that it's all mathematically computed -- and that the ink levels are written to the win.ini file (I looked, and even though it's a very small text file, could not find anything in it that pertains to printers). Unfortunately, my frustration with Lexmark is exceeded only by my hatred of all things HP, and so I'm gonna have to try Canon or Epson (neither of which I've ever used before) and see if they're refill-friendly.
by Anonymous on Oct 24, 2007 at 3:27pm Add comment
Do not buy Lexmark 8300 series. Nothing works. - Anonymous
There is nothing wrong with the X3550. I also have this printer. What is wrong is even though the courts made the decision that Lexmark has to comply with everyone else and make their injet cartridges refillable, they got around this decision by making two types of the same cartridge. In my case, I need a refillable Black Cartridge. Lexmark supplied me with a 23. This one is NOT refillable. I have to buy a 23A to be able to refill. I will do this.

Good luck.

p.s. I am still looking for a work around on the 23. - BriteLeaf
Yes,
Canon and Epson are refill friendly.So do not worry about it.And before go to purchase it,just view the reviews of all printers. I always prefer to buy ink cartridges from http://www.inkjetsuperstore.ca/. - mathewdavid
I appreciate your post because Lexmark has bad qualities like Slow text prints; print and scan quality could use overall improvement, particularly photo prints; wireless costs an additional $50.
So you are right at your place.
Thanks for your post. - mathewdavid
I JUST PURCHASED A LEXMARK 5600-6600 AND THE INK CARTRIDGE LASTED 1 MONTH. NO, I DID NOT PRINT A LOT. MY OLD H.P. WOULD GO MONTHS AND I COULD REFILL IT. GUESS WHAT, I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO RESET THE LEXMARK CARTRIDGES. DOES ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE THE SECRET AND WILL YOU SHARE IT WITH ME? - Anonymous
I have a Lexmark X3350, about five years old. I refill cartridges, have found that some used cartridges will work, some won't. I just got a newer used cartridge and it wouldn't work, however an older one did. In any case, it always indicates ink levels are low, even when they're full. Just ignore it, it will print anyway. Hope this helps. - Anonymous
Hi after reading all these problems i thought i would have to buy a new printer as i had the same problem, out of original lexmark ink kept displaying and the order ink or cancel button was (not responding) i have x3550 wireless printer and before giving up i tried to reinstall software and drivers again, this time i uninstalled lexmark software, i then did a search on the computer typed in lexmark and deleted everything it found with lexmark in it even in the hidden files,i then emptied the recyle bin, tried another search found nothing i then cleaned up my computer, i use advanced system care (freeware) i then did a registry clean up (registry first aid) i also then cleaned up all internet files using internet options then i defragmented the computer. i then restarted the computer, reinstalled lexmark software (followed the instructions carefully) and hey presto everything worked again printed out first time , the dialog for lexmark still shows as low ink same as before, but i can press the cancel button and printing begins. Dont give up it can be solved (im so happy now:) after spending a whole day reading about how to fix this problem and comments on how lexmark have set up printers so they will only work on their original lexmark cartridges, my advice is dont believe everything you read, but saying this i think next time i replace my ink i think i will choose Lexmark just to be on the safe side.. Good Luck.

- Anonymous
Canon is probably the most refill friendly. Epson has by far the most posts on this site of any inkjet printer. That should tell you something since HP is the biggest seller of inkjet printers. I did a comparison chart on another post showing ratio of complaints per model vs. units sold. HP had the lowest ratio for inkjet printers.
by moe on Oct 24, 2007 at 5:31pm Add comment
All right someone actually read my post!!! For a second there I started to think that no one cared. Hey BuzzBaum if you find out any more info on that clip please post it here. As far as I can tell im pretty sure there is a chip inside the PRINTER not the cartridge. The reason im sure of this is because when I installed the software on the second machine it automatically created that cartridge status file on the new pc (the one in the lx_cats folder). The weird thing is that not only did the file have the info on the cartridges that were currently installed in the printer but they also had the info on the other cartridge I previously installed into the printer!!! Because of this I am CERTAIN that the printer is remembering the ink levels and not the cartridges. The printer differentiates the cartridges by its serial number.

To the guy with the Lexmark X3550 go into the lx_cats folder and opening the files with notepad (my file had an extension of "A00" it might be different in your configuration im not sure). This file should show you the last 8 color and B/W cartridges installed into the printer and all the info about them such as remaining ink, serial number, even the number of ink drops that have gone though the printhead!

hmm... ive had great experiences with HP's deskjet 900 series. Their older laser printers are very good also. Whatever you do stay FAR FAR away from epson. Their cartridges are extremely difficult to refill and because of a non removable printhead if it clogs it will be a nightmare to fix. I absolutely love canon. Their cartridges are pretty easy to refill. They also have a removable printhead so if it clogs you can use a steamer to unclog it. I actually own an canon pixma ip6000d and I think its the best printer ever but I only use it to print onto cds and maybe a document or two. This lexmark printer is supposed to be for heavy document printing! So much for that :)

hope this helps


PS if you guys know any good printer hackers or anyone knowledgeable on flash memory chips get them to read this thread. I think I found a memory chip when i opened the printer but im not sure if its the cartridge memory chip or just the bios chip.If anyone wants ill post the link to the datasheet of the flash memory chip.
by unknown on Oct 24, 2007 at 5:58pm Add comment
Yes, pls post the flash chip part number and any links to the datasheet. - unknown
Have you tried to modify the lx_cats file(s)?

I am just getting into trying to refill my Z1300 cartridges and
your info has been a good start.

If the lx_cats file(s) store the cart serial number, then it would
seem that the individual carts have the serial number encoded into
them?
by unknown on Nov 25, 2007 at 7:13am Add comment
Please let me know if anyone discovers any solution to our Lemark problem. I disconnected mine, and not I am using my HP Officejet 6210. It works fine for refills, but will not copy sometimes. I don't really know what makes the copy function fail, but at least it will refill.
by BuzzBaum on Nov 26, 2007 at 3:19am Add comment
GE.Mike, regarding changing the LX_CATS file, I have tried to modify it but the problem is that the software doesn't read the data from the file but instead reads it from the printer. When I tested the printer on the second machine, the LX_CATS file just magically had all the info on all the cartridges that were ever installed into the printer. In my opinion I think the LX_Cats file is just there as a way to temporally store the file on the hard drive so that the chip in the printer can be updated at a later time. No matter what I do I cannot get the software to upload my modified file to the printer.

Can anyone confirm if the printer rejects only # 28 cartridges (the "return program" cartridges) or does it also reject #28A(non return cartridges) and #34 (high yield cartridge)?
by unknown on Nov 26, 2007 at 7:55am Add comment
I use a Lex #2500 with a #29 color crtrdg and it failed to print after re-filling also. If I align the crtrdg (it will fail also) then cancel the alignment window, I can print w/ B&W crtrdg after checking the box to print B&W, but only one page at a time:( - unknown
28A and 34 can be refilled with no problem at all.
It's only the initial cartridges that are causing troubles. - Ana27
The cartridge has to be the chip location since the cartridge cannot be used in any printer after it is deemed used up by the chip. What we need is a way to fool the printer into thinking it has a new cartridge, by either resetting the chip if it can be, or by finding out which contacts on the cartridge feed the info in order to block the info. Of course that may also cause it not to work, but the area to concenrrate on is the cartridge because it is telling the printer it is dead. Stumpymeadow in East TN
by stumpymeadow on Dec 5, 2007 at 11:56am Add comment
I have tried resetting the cartridge of some printer, and it works! I only used TESTER to reset. Here's what i did: i point the positive(+) to the upper-left (sticker up position) of the DOT (connection), and the negative(-) to the lower-right. Slide the the negative upward-down creating zig-zag until it reaches the positive hand of the tester. follow the simple sketch: (-,1,2,3,4,+)

+ 4 2 2
4 3 2 1
4 3 2 1
4 3 2 1
4 3 3 - - unknown
PS I tore my X2500 apart looking for a battery and could not find one. Then I realized the info rest in the printer will not allow the cartridge to work or else the cartridge would work in another printer fine. Stumpymeadow
by stumpymeadow on Dec 5, 2007 at 12:03pm Add comment
Thanks for your comments stumpymeadow. I never thought of testing the cartridge in another printer. So are you saying that you tested the empty cartridge in another printer and it still remembers the ink level? If that is true then the ink level chip must be in the cartridge.

If you can confirm for me that you did test the cartridge in the printer and it had the same ink level then I will take apart a cartridge and see where each contact leads to.

PS what cartridge model number did you use? Number #28 or #34?
by unknown on Dec 6, 2007 at 7:52am Add comment
I did not test, since this is the first time I have had a newer Lexmark, however, it stands to reason that any other scenario would allow reuse by someone else, in which case we would start a reusers group and swap cartridges, not to mention the resellers paying us for empties so they could refill and sell them, which is the main problem for Lexmark and why they have done this. Also some resellers have previously been sued for bypassing Lexmark chips with copy chips, but Lexmark lost at Supreme Court level. Good luck with the chip hunt in your cartridge. Let me know what you find. Stumpymeadow
by stumpymeadow on Dec 6, 2007 at 10:10am Add comment
Cartridges Iused are 28 and 29.
by stumpymeadow on Dec 7, 2007 at 2:53pm Add comment
Ok well I took the plunge and I opened up a lexmark 28 cartridge and completely took it apart until I had all the pieces and I essentially discovered that there is nothing but a sponge inside. I looked everywhere on the cartridge and I could not find a chip.

The following link is a collection of photos I took. Note: this is a genuine OEM cartridge. The sticker being different is just me putting a sticker on the top for refill purposes.
After looking at all the traces it seems as if all the traces go straight to the printhead.

Now the question is how in the heck is the printer identifying the cartridge's serial number?

My hunch is that whenever I install a cartridge in the printer I see a red light turn on. That red light may be reading the barcode thats on the back of the cartridge.

Can someone put a piece of tape on the barcode for a BRAND NEW NEVER
INSTALLED INTO PRINTER cartridge? Lets see if the printer actually recognizes the cartridge then. I recommend black electrical tape.

http://picasaweb.google.com/chaudhryaziz/LexmarkCartridgeDisassembly

Man this thing is getting weirder and weirder by the second.
by unknown on Dec 9, 2007 at 2:13pm Add comment
Cartridges with out chips are recognized by the electronic strip on the side of the cartridges (they are the tiny gold squares on the side.)

Lexmark 2,3,4,5 etc.- These are non-refillable "Lexmark return program" cartridges. Lexmark offers
these cartridges at a cheaper price, with a small catch. They require you to return or dispose of the
cartridge after it's use.

Lexmark 2A,3A,4A,5A etc. - These are the refillable versions of the Lexmark cartridges that you have. They look the
same and have the same capacity. But, because they can be refilled, they cost an extra $5.00 - 10.00.
Most people do not realize the difference, and consumers tend to pick up the cheaper cartridge.

Therefore, the circulation of these "refillable" cartridges is very low, and are usually difficult to locate.

Due to a very low circulation of the refillable cartridges, regularly obtaining the empties, remanufacturing them,
and making these cartridges available to our customers continues to be nearly impossible.

- Anonymous
Another status update, I have opened up the printer again and observer what the printer does when I insert a cartridge. Remember that red light I was talking about that I saw inside the printer? (This is in the previous post by me) It turns out that the red light is actually to monitor the guide ribbon that tells the cartridge where the printhead position is.

I did some digging up and remember that datasheet I was talking about? Well I reexamined the printer's circuit board and it turns out there is another chip that I believe is this cartridge ink counter that we have all been talking about. The chip located in the printer (well in my printer anyway) is the version with the model number - "8S2 - EIAJ SOIC" The chips actual part number is AT45DB011B made by ATMEL INC.

The datasheet for this chip is located at:

http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc1984.pdf

Is is a 128KB flash memory chip.

The other chip i was talking about was an EEPROM chip and im starting to think that chip is actually the printer's firmware.

The Link for the EEPROM flash chip is :

http://www.tranzistoare.ro/datasheets/105/209408_DS.pdf

Man if only I knew how to dump the data into a file to examine.

by unknown on Dec 10, 2007 at 7:59pm Add comment
In my earlier responce about placing a tiny piece of duct tape over the far right,very bottom pin on the cartridge. The cartridge did not reset as full, but I am able to use my refilled cartridge now, with no error msg's. It prints like it use to. If you use the software provided with the printer to replace the cartridge, That will still not reset the level. As a matter of fact when I go into my printer maintainance menu, it shows that there is no black cartridge. BUT AT LEAST I AM GETTING NO ERROR MSG'S ON THE COMPUTER OR PRINTER AND I AM UP AND RUNNING !

CARL - Carl5565
Good work !! My question is whether there is anything under or attached to the copper connection strip on the cartridge ? I would not have expected the chip to be inside because of the ink, and it does have to be replaceable or resettable to reuse the cartridge when it is refurbished. Refurbishing involves replacing the copper strip, so the chip could be under it or attached to it. Also, I have removed the barcode strip and the printer still knew the cartridge needed replacement. To verify this idea, we need to remove the sticker from a new or partially used cartridge to see if it still works, If it does, the barcode is not the answer. Sapping barcodes might be another step. stumpymeadow
by stumpymeadow on Dec 11, 2007 at 5:46am Add comment
first of all try an empty in another printer. this will proof that the "chip" is in the cart.
now i dont have exp. with the ink carts. but i refill some toners. Mostly HP, but some times Lexmark also. i think they work in this way - printer write +1 in the chip for every copy, so when you put cartridge, the printer can read how many copies are printed with that cartridge. when the chip reaches the max copy nom., the printer just reads the status and refuse to work. thats why we order chips and replace the old ones when reffiling. shuld be the same with the ink cartridges. there must be chip. may be not replaceable, may be there is a way to reset, but there must be a chip
by joy_boy on Dec 25, 2007 at 2:20am Add comment
I read that the ink cartridge only three cartridge's serial numbers and then removes them from memory. If you save your empties you can refill an empty, insert a new cartridge, after it is done, refill it putting it in storage and putting in a third and last new one. Then once it is empty you can rotate the very first one back and it should reset...hum, well that is what I heard. I have an X5250. Not long ago it said the lid wasn't closed even though it was. I removed the top,sides,and inner seperator. I found a piece in the bottom of the printer. It was a "lever" that actuates when the top is opened to bring the ink cartridges to the center for changing. I put it back into position and it worked until the next time I opened the top to check it. Well crap, it fell off again. Guess what? I removed it and taped the small microswitch in the nc position and got rid of the error. Now when I want to change the cartridge or fill it I just move the ink assembly by gently pulling it to the center by the ribbon and then turning the printer off. If you don't turn it off the cartridge will go back to the left and maybe jam if the ink is out and the holder top catches somehow. Anyway just a thought. littlechum48
by unknown on Jan 16, 2008 at 10:13pm Add comment
Hi M8z,
I was a Epson service agent and I purchased the resetter for our workshop use. Because some Epson printers didn't tell us whether the black or colour cartridges were empty and to save the customer money by resetting the cartridges and reinserting them. Because, only too often we replace both cartridges on these and since we had to open them, the client has to pay.

The resetter will not work on any of the newer models with more connections on the cartridge. I haven't found a resetter for these yet, but if anybody can point me in the right direction, I'd be very thankfull.

As far as Lexmmark goes, they have much the same policy as Epson and Dell is even worse. I'm extremely thankfull that my clients listened to me and avoided Dell like the plague. They are not only rebadged Lexmarks, but the equivalent Lexmark cartridge will not work, because they have altered the terminal layout for the Dell units. Thus the clients have to order the Dell cartridges and cannot source them from our local stores.

Cheers!

Graeme

by Gudday_M8 on Feb 4, 2008 at 3:24pm Add comment
Anonymous, If you look at an epson cartridge the chip is clearly on the outside of the cartridge. Also if you look at the chip resetter it is just a box that has pins sticking out. Those pins are meant to touch the chip WHICH IS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE CARTRIDGE! If you look at my older posts you will see a link to pictures of a disassembled lexmark cartridge and IT HAS NO CHIP IN IT! THE CHIP IS IN THE PRINTER!!

http://www.epson.co.uk/supplies/images/cartridge_diagram.jpg

look at the above picture, the chip is on the outside and you can clearly see it. Lexmark dosent have this, I tore apart a lexmark cartridge already. THE CHIP IS IN THE PRINTER!
by unknown on Feb 4, 2008 at 3:28pm Add comment
Gudday_M8,

Did you know that if the epson printers fire an empty cartridge the printhead will burn out? Theres a reason that epson uses an ink counter. Their piezo-electric style printhead will burn out very easily. I would know since I had to fix about 100 Epson C84 printers for my school district. I always reccomend Canon and hp Canon may be a bit slower printer but they are a dream to refill and even has removable printhead unlike epson! Just life a latch and the printhead is out!
by unknown on Feb 4, 2008 at 3:34pm Add comment
Hey all.

Back to lexmark, has anyone actually found a way to reset the ink counter after a refill???

I have tried to edit some of the option, reinstall everything, stil the darn thing keeps remembering & firing warnings at me, still works though.

Anyone?

Thanx :)

Eric
by unknown on Feb 5, 2008 at 3:19pm Add comment
are you using cartridges 28 & 29 or are you using 34 & 35?
by unknown on Feb 5, 2008 at 9:58pm Add comment
Hey!

Actually i just bought this wifi z1480, its using no. 2 & no.3 cartridge. The darn ink counter & the warnings are just bothering me.

Thanx :)

Eric
by unknown on Feb 6, 2008 at 8:17am Add comment
sorry but this thread is about resetting ink counters on printers which refuse to print after a refill. If you can print after a refill then lucky you I wish my printer would do that.
by unknown on Feb 6, 2008 at 9:04am Add comment
I found a solution to the refill issue on lexmark cartridges on the x5650 model. all I did was to take a tiny piece of electrical tape and place it over the very last contact point of the cartidge on the far right side. I placed the tape on the very bottom contact point on the far right side. The printer now thinks that it is a new cartridge. I didn't try to cover any of the other points though.
I hope that this help others out that have been as frustrated as myself.

Carl - Anonymous
Thank you, riciuzuki for getting us back on track. We're talking about our (dusty) Lexmark Z1300 printer, right?
by Anonymous on Feb 6, 2008 at 9:59am Add comment
yep well my printer isnt exactly dusty its just been laying in pieces because im too lazy to reassemble it. I guess the individual parts are dusty though lol.

Anyway, can anyone confirm if the high yield cartridges give the refill error also or is it just the return program cartridges. I really wanna test the high yield but one more cartridge for this printer and it will end up costing me more then just buying a canon printer so I really dont want to buy another cartridge yet unless I can confirm that the high yield one offers something more that just extra ink.
by unknown on Feb 6, 2008 at 2:31pm Add comment
Yes, thank you so much :( My bad, i guess...
by unknown on Feb 6, 2008 at 4:59pm Add comment
I hope this isn't too long...

I have tried the remedies listed with the same failures. However the refill kit I bought from Nukote had instructions on resetting a cartridge that looks similar to our Z1300 #28 nemesis. It shows how to cover up certain contacts on the cartridge and procedures to follow on turning the computer and printer on and off. The pictured configuration is a little different so it does not work properly, however I did get the printer to go to the aligning a new cartridge screen. The problem persists though as you click on the print test page it will not print because it thinks the cartridge is still empty. I think that the solution might be this procedure we just have to find the right procedure on converging up the contacts in the right order to reset this damn thing. I think we are getting closer. If someone can try a few different combos I think one of them might work.

With out be able to show the configuration of the contacts on here this is the list of instructions...

After refilling the cartridge.
1. Turn off computer. Place a piece of clear adhesive tape over the top left contact (which has been shaded on the diagram, but doesn’t match exactly to ours) Be careful not to tape over the other contacts during this process. Return cartridge to printer, close lid, and turn on computer. Printer may automatically print a calibration page. (mine did not)

2. Remove cartridge. Place a piece of clear adhesive tape over the top right contact (again shaded diagram does not exactly match) Again do not tape over the other contacts during this process. Return cartridge to printer and close the lid. Wait one minute or until printer finishes initializing. Printer may automatically print another calibration page. (mine did not)

3. Remove cartridge. Place a piece of clear tape over the two right contacts. (diagram does not exactly match up again) Again do not tape over the other contacts. Return cartridge to printer and close lid. Wait one minute or until printer finishes initializing. Printer may automatically print another calibration page. (mine did not)

4. Remove the cartridge from printer and carefully remove all tape. Return cartridge to printer. Turn printer off. Wait 20 seconds and then turn it back on. You can cancel the calibration page if you want. The ink level should now read full. (mine did not)

Now again the diagram did not match exactly with the configuration of the cartridge, but it was close. After a couple of other attempts with different configurations I did get the calibration page, however the damn thing still thought the cartridge was empty, so I think this might work with just the right configuration. We just have to find it. I have also put a call into Nukote for assistance.
by Ekidokai on Feb 6, 2008 at 7:42pm Add comment
Very good post Ekidokai, Thanks very much for posting!

I read that a while back lexmark won some kind of lawsuit and that they starting putting some sort of protection scheme in their cartridges. The thing is though, they only mentioned the return program cartridges. Since I have nothing but return program cartridges (#28 & #29) can someone confirm if the hi yield cartridges are refillable or not?
by unknown on Feb 7, 2008 at 5:45am Add comment
no refills for #28 or #29 one install use only hi-yield is #28A for black and #29A for color - Anonymous
Hello all, I dont usually do posts, but I would love to screw Lexmark. I have a X5320. It uses the #31 and #34 carts. I have never used it since the first time I tried to refill and it still thinks its empty, and wont print. I only use it for a scanner now for the past 2 years. POS!! I just spent hours reading posts as far back as 2007. Good for you in staying on it! Someone made this circuit, so someone can figure it out.

As a controls engineer in the water industry, I would like to offer a couple ideas. We use a probe type level sensor in some applications on a much larger scale. Here is how they work. There are multiple conductive points arranged in a vertical row. Low power is applied to the lowest point and all the points above the lowest one are looking for that voltage. The ink would be used as a conductor to pass the voltage. When the ink gets below that point then the printer can no longer sense the voltage at that point. So that is where the level is.

The only problem is that it should work again when you put in new ink. I dont think the ink carries any additive that would lower the conductivity, but you never know. It is possible

More likely is that they have some type of filament that will burn out when there is no longer ink covering it to cool it. If that is the case then jumpers would need to be installed to provide the voltage at the proper points. I would think they would only use the filament on the lowest point, and once you reach it, it burns out. All they would have to do to refurbish the cartridge is replace the contact strip. Has anyone tried to refill a cart before it gets empty? If you constantly add ink before the warning message, will it continue to work?

I looked at the pictures of the disected cartridge and there doesnt appear to be anything conductive inside the cartridge, so that means everything is in the contact strip you pealed off. Hard to tell from the pics.

Not sure how a printer works, but I believe they use electric charges to direct the ink flow. If I'm right, that would mean that all of the contacts would go to the same general area, where the ink comes out (one color cart). Or where a diaphram is located, maybe that metalic film in the bottom. But the level sensors wouldn't go there. They would just be arranged in a vertical pattern away from the others.

Not sure if this will help, but that's how I would do it.
Hope this helps you solve the puzzle. I will try and watch for any results, but I'm not really a blogger. I just hate Lexmark crap enough to do it.
Good luck - unknown
Hey all!

After a lot of fine tunning, i finally found a way to bypass the low ink, out of original ink, etc., messages. It could also solve te 'not printing' problem. Here goes:

Go to 'control panel'. - select 'printers & faxes' - right click the printer - select 'properties' - select the 'advanced' tab - uncheck any checked boxes on the bottom part of the screen (first up is 'hold mismatched documents), that one & the 3 others under MUST BE UNCHECKED to work - then check 'print directly to the printer' option. Close everything & restart computer. If you get an error message it must be because you haven't unchecked all 4 boxes i told you to before.

So, this will bypass the ink check, for some reason it does so while spooling the document you wanna print, i'm no programming wiz so don't ask me how! ;)

This has a downfall: since spooling is disabled & documents are printed directly to the printer, your program may stop responding for the duration of the printing, especially if the document is huge, like graphics. You may not feel it if it is mostly text.

It's a downfall but it's WAY better than having to deal with the EXTREMELY annoying boxes telling you are out of ink. Since i bought this printer 2 months ago i've been trying to find ANY info on how to shut the hell up this printer. I haven't. This is the closest i've come to peace, & since cartridges are so darn expensive... What a racket!

Next step would be for somebody to reverse engineer the printer software to bypass the annoying messages, & i am not the man to do it.

Hope this help!

Ciao :)

eldiablo!
by Anonymous on Mar 2, 2008 at 8:15pm Add comment
I tried this...to a T...made sure all the boxes were unchecked and all. Restarted the computer. Went to my document...and, the same message popped up: Black Cartridge Replacement Required. And, as we all know...my document wont print because of this message. The only choices you get are the 2 buttons...1) order ink and 2) close. I purchased my ink on EBay and nowhere did they mention that this error could take place. It's a new cartridge and have previously printed pages on it, specifically with this printer too. There's no actual way it's out. How do I bypass this massage to get my .doc to print? - unknown
When I do that is says it requires bi-directional printing. This then pulls up the same error message. Any luck finding instructions to reset the counter?
by unknown on Mar 21, 2008 at 4:59pm Add comment
I had the same problem. I am using a #35 that just registered the cartridge warning. I will let you know if it shuts the computer down. I can use a refilled #35 in my x7170 but the ink level shows out. I don't care about the ink level if the printer accepts the cartridge.
by unknown on Mar 23, 2008 at 4:00pm Add comment
so anyway i've come to the conclusion that the high yield cartridges are refillable though I don't think anyone here has tested it yet. I can't test it because i've already junked my printer. I am completely done with lexmark for the rest of my life. Thanks for the responses everyone!!! The lesson learned here that lexmark produces terrible products and no matter how cheap it is DONT BUY LEXMARK.

P.S. My main printer at the moment is a combination of the HP Deskjet 952c which is my workhorse printer and a Canon PIXMA ip6000d for CD printing and good looking documents. When HP drops the price of its color laser printer a little less then 250$ I will pick one up.
by unknown on Apr 8, 2008 at 9:15am Add comment
Somewhere I read that the 36a cartridges were refillable on my x3650, so I went one better and purchased a 36xla, and refilled it , and the printer rejected it. Called the lexmark rep and he said only 36a is refillable, cartridges have chips. Conclusion is, I don't trust him unless he can reset it over the internet.
After years of Lexmark printers, I'm switching brands. - Anonymous
i really appreciate what you all done here~!! as i bought a lexmark X3550 printer last month and it also cannot refil. i follow what Anonymous told us, but it still cannot work. is that i miss some part?? i try to print a doc by using microsoft word, the annoy box will come out again finally if i click "print".please help us if someone know how to solve this problem. thank you so much~!! cheer~!
by unknown on Apr 30, 2008 at 8:56am Add comment
I am greatful for all the advice here, but here's what I found to be so humorous! My Lexmark z1300 was $24.95. When I went to my local Radio Shack, one cartridage of ink is $34.95.
I'm not stupid. Just buy a new printer each time I need ink?
by unknown on Apr 30, 2008 at 10:06am Add comment
when you buy a new printer, the cartridges are usually introductory cartridges, and have a very low yield. (compared to the replacement)

printer companies will pretty much give you a printer as long as you buy their cartridges.

brother printers dont have chips at all(well for now).and are good to refill, they also have individual colours. - unknown
That one had me laughing! Lexmark is definitely frustrating. - unknown
Lexmark return program inkjet cartridges are:2,3,23,24,28,29,36,36XL,37,37XL,40,41,42,43,44 these are not refillable. The "A" series with the same cartridge number (eg. 2a 3a 23a 24a 36XLA etc) are refillable. I am also going to assume the high yield is also refillable, as by law Lexmark has to inform the public on the box if it IS a Lexmark Return Program Cartridge, and these have no such label.
by tigerwan on Apr 30, 2008 at 2:56pm Add comment
I looked at the "agreement" licence on a new z1300. Something about if you buy it you agree to accept some about the cartridge. I think it means if you buy it you understand the cartridges are only refillable by Lexmark, or it means they are following the law thru some "agreement"!
by unknown on May 22, 2008 at 10:54am Add comment
I won't go into my horror stories with lexmark other than to say I will never own another one. That said I had the same problem with refilling ink on a lemark x125. I found on mine the printer only remembered the last two sets. So I kept 4 sets in rotation and would clean all the contacts when they were empty and just before I needed to install them I would refill.
Hope this helps.
by conundrum on May 22, 2008 at 11:30am Add comment
I also find that Lexmark is more trouble than it is worth. Send them a letter telling them so like I did. In this time of prices going so high that people are really being careful how they spend their money, if they get enough complaints they might stop screwing around. I told them that I won’t buy another Lexmark. There are too many low cost printers out there and I have also started putting up signs in the stores telling people what's going on.
by Ekidokai on May 23, 2008 at 3:57am Add comment
I also find that Lexmark is more trouble than it is worth. Send them a letter telling them so like I did. In this time of prices going so high that people are really being careful how they spend their money, if they get enough complaints they might stop screwing around. I told them that I won’t buy another Lexmark. There are too many low cost printers out there and I have also started putting up signs in the stores telling people what's going on.
by Ekidokai on May 23, 2008 at 4:01am Add comment
yes but the problem with brother is that for most of their "all in one" printers the printhead is buried deep in the printer and connects to the ink cartridges with ink tubes. This is a problem because if the printhead gets clogged you have to dismantle the printer. I recommend canon printers because they have a removable printhead and their cartridges are fairly easy to refill also.
by unknown on May 26, 2008 at 8:33pm Add comment
canon are good printers and yes that is a bonus that u can remove the printhead, however the new series have chips built onto the cartridge. they are easy to refill but can be very difficult to get the printer to allow you to use them.

its a gamble, use brother and be sure that your refills will work.
and hope that your printhead will be ok.

or use canon and hope that your printer will let u proceed.it will always carry on and give you dramas hence the chip.

(cost of a new canon printhead is more than the cost of a new basic brother MFP)

just a thought.

- unknown
we tried what anoymous said about the control panel twice and still no solution what should we do now!
by unknown on Jun 7, 2008 at 7:45pm Add comment
Get rid of the damn thing and send them a nasty letter.
by Ekidokai on Jun 9, 2008 at 7:28am Add comment
Trash your Lexmark Z1300, and as has been recommended, get a Canon. I got about 4 years or more usage out of my old one, refilling cartridges regularly until the thing just "died" of old age. I'm on my last 2 carts with my Z1300, and I'll trash the damn thing after that. Talk about a piece if "it"!!!!!

Customer satisfaction rating = <0
by Anonymous on Jun 9, 2008 at 7:36am Add comment
I am a refiller, and a retailer, and i have just encountered the Lexmark 29 problem. so far i haev not found a solution to this, and it has costed me a pretty penny, in having to take the loss of customers cartidges that won't work, but I'll get even with Lexmark[buy seling Canon printers instead].

The problem only seems to affect lx 29, i have successfully refilled the high yileds with no problem.
by unknown on Jun 11, 2008 at 2:46pm Add comment
What CR@P !! I bought this ???PRINTER ??? Cause I blew up my old
Compaq.. Tries an HP, AGAIN.. Nothing but problems with HP won't print any thing from MS Works.. So I get this THING !! I print
600 pages every other day !!! Tried all the stuff listed nothing!!
I mean I don't want a three in one, won't buy another HP, so what else is there ??? GO to Best BUY or what ever !! Only HP and
3 in 1 !!! There has to be an answer someplace..
by dwalexk on Jul 5, 2008 at 6:48pm Add comment
Never mind ... my "solution" was going off the color cartridge instead ... still playing with covering pin configurations ....
by kbellison1 on Jul 10, 2008 at 8:17am Add comment
I have tried most pin covering configuration coverings, and I can't find the solution. The printer at one point stopped being recognized by my computers (both!) and I had to completely uninstall and re-install the driver on one PC from the beginning so the printer configuration routine ran and re-enabled the printer. So screwing around with the pins disabled the printer at some point in my experiments.


My Lexmark Z1420 manual p.14 says:

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Black Cartridge, 23A
Back Cartridge 23 *
High Yield black Cartridge 34

* Licensed Return Program Cartridge

=======

... and the "End User Licence Agreement" on p.28 states the LRP cartridges "are designed to stop working after delivering a fixed amount of ink" but is also goes on to say "A replacement Cartridge sold without these terms is available from www.lexmark.com"

I do recall the #23 that came with the printer did say something about a Return program, while my #34 says absolutely nothing about this on the box.

So it seems from the text there does exists, and, you can buy cartridges that are refillable, but you need to choose that particular model. If you go to the Lexmark site the cartridges sold do specify which ones belong to the Return Program and which ones don't.

See:
http://www.lexmarkstore.com

So my solution is to buy a new #34 and have a spare for when the nozzle is clogged at some future date.

- Karl - kbellison1
riciuzuki there is a chip on the lexmark cartridge, it's right next to the print head, but it's real real tiny. I'm not sure if it's only for serial numbers or it monitors the ink levels too, but I think it's the chip inside the printer that monitors the ink levels.
by NE on Jul 10, 2008 at 5:11pm Add comment
I have a LexMark X5650 and I use the 36,37,
and 36xl, and 37xl and having the same trouble refilling the cartridges does anyone have a diagram of where to drill the holes and how to reset the cartridges , thanks you all Joe R.
P.S. Maybe it's better to Donate the Printer to Goodwill and buy a new printer since it cost less than both Cartridges does, just a thought. LOL - Balukajoe
can you provide a picture?
by unknown on Jul 11, 2008 at 11:39am Add comment
by NE on Jul 11, 2008 at 11:43am Add comment
Oh My God! I cant believe I missed that! Thanks for posting that picture. Well then there it is! Theres proof that the cartridge does have a chip! - unknown
Yes it is true. I have found the answer. Taaaadaaaaa.

After getting a rude surprise of refilling a cartridge and then not having it work.

I found the covering of the different connections on the cartridge also a long and frustrating project.

I did, quite by accident, come across the answer to the question we have all been looking for.

While working on yet another configuration of covering connections and replacing the cartridge I dropped the cartridge on the floor and it opened up and spilled the ink.

I cleaned the spill and put the now really messed up cartridge back in the printer.

That's when it happened. I turned on the printer and poof; yet again it did not work

So I got a large hammer and killed the damn thing. I mashed it so that it could never do any harm ever again.

It felt so good! I now have a Cannon with individual color ink cartridges that can be refilled.

That is the real, true answer. Try it, it works great and feels even better.
by Ekidokai on Jul 13, 2008 at 7:39am Add comment
I bought a Lexmark Z1300 about a month ago. I had to replace it because, thanks to the consideration of HP for its customers, my T45 would not work on Vista.

After only about 60 pages, the Lexmark stopped printing and would cancel any job I wanted. Never in my life have I seen a printer do this. I don't care if it can only print a half a page, I want my printer to do what I want it to do. If it runs out of ink, fine, I'll replace it, but I don't expect it to do it against my will.

At any rate, I took the color cartidge apart, and it was not even empty. Lexmark is a scam that should be prosecuted for consumer fraud.

I've since smashed this piece of crap into a thousand pieces. I've put them all back into the box, and sealed it up just as I got it from Walmart. As soon as I find Lexmark's address, I am going to send it back to them, "as is".

With this new Lexmark ink cartridge thing, I suspect that after all of us fools buy one of their pieces of crap once, Lexmark will loose so much business that they will be forced to shut down.

Wouldn't that be great!

by unknown on Jul 14, 2008 at 12:21pm Add comment
I recently purchased refilled catridges and it ran the test print in color but when I tried to print in color it told me to buy a new cartridge. And that brings me to this site i found on google and the original message about the LX_Cats folder you were talking about. So I tried deleting the folder and now I can use the cartridge it just shows in the picture of ink level as being near empty all the time. BUT IT WORKS!

Just tell it not to warn you about low ink levels

by be1980 on Jul 15, 2008 at 9:31am Add comment
OK folk forget about spyware and the 28.. Go to a 34 for Black and
a 35 color.. You get a little, RUNNING OUT OF INK bs, BUT you can
refill the 34 and still print.. When you get the MESSAGE, hit
CLOSE then CONTINUE PRINTING, by hitting the ENTER KEY.. DO not
check the " PRINT BLACK FROM COLOR CARTRIDGE".. The 34 works, have
refilled twice and NO problems!! I got this from someone else on another thread.. So I'm just passing the word on!!
HOPE IT HELPs
by dwalexk on Jul 16, 2008 at 6:13pm Add comment
These suggestions are not tried, but if you have time and will:

A) Drill out the chip, only to destroy it.

B) Install a similar but not quite-the-same printer driver that will not react/communicate with a low cartridge.
by kbellison1 on Jul 17, 2008 at 1:45am Add comment
I have a Lexmark X1270. I bought it because it was the cheapest all-in-one. Now I find out they purposely tricked me into buying this stupid peice of crap so they can butt-rape me on the refill cartridges!

I have looked all over but I don't have the LX_Cats folder. I have the "Lexmark 1200 Series" folder in Program Files. The only folder in there is called "Drivers". The rest is just a bunch of files.

There has got to be a way around this. We just have to keep trying. I've been all over the web and this thread is the best and last hope against the Lexmark-tic Empire. We must stop them!
by pissed-off on Jul 18, 2008 at 7:58pm Add comment
read what I did if I'm not mistaken you can use the same cartridge - old pirate
Ok, I’m putting this information out here for everyone.
The Lexmark # 35 color cartridge has a weight in grams of 48.00. And the b/w # 34 has a weight of 47.2 grams Now this was still sealed in the foil pouch,

The # 34 is refillable I have not tried the #35 yet, but a refilled # 34 (filled to 45.5 g) will show on the ink gage of a z1300 to be ½ full.

Because that’s when I filled it, I want to see if the ink gage will still move, if so.
Then the printer may be using some type of page counter to judge the ink use.

My advice to everyone is when the cartridges that come with the printer quit get a set #34, 35 and a good digital scale


I’m still studying the possibility of making a homemade cis for this printer
by old pirate on Jul 23, 2008 at 8:56am Add comment
I too believe there is a page counter involved. I tried to keep a 28A "topped off" when printing got sketchy and got the low ink warning. It worked for awhile, but then whatever Lexmark program refused to print even though the cartridge was full. - Anonymous
I put a post on here devoted to this subject but probably was put under a different username? I even got in contact with Lexmark for them to explain to me why the printer shuts down when a refilled cartridge is used and why they have installed a memory chip which does know and reads the viscosity of the foreign ink. But more importantly to make sure that those who purchase Lexmark printers know of this so that they do not attempt to cut corners and refill their cartridges and run the risk of their printer shutting down. Lexmark never provided me with any explanation and are ignorant to the fact that they are supplying printers at very cheap prices but ripping the customers off by making sure that they buy Lexmark cartridges. But by that time if you have refilled or used a remanufactured cartridge it is usually too late.
The chip cannot be reset so the printer is only good for the bin!

There are other makes of Printer which do incorporate the same idea, as each of their cartridges the ink itself has a patent.
There is also another scandal in that the colour cartridge i recall you can get two sizes? I purchased and wasted money by performing an experiment. The cartridges were opened from two different sizes and the ink was wringed from the sponge inside. I found that the so called larger cartridge which is a little more expensive then the smaller version contained less ink than the one that was smaller, So for that extra price you were gaining nothing.
Any cartridge especially Lexmark that carries the print head on the cartridge are the ones you should be particularly careful refilling and when you do you must understand the risk you are taking.
So whats best here? I will say and will always say Cannon give the best deal and you get no problems using remanufactured cartridges.
Another point with cannon is that when you buy the cartridge you can see just how much ink you are buying! Lexmark prefer to keep that a closely guarded secret.
If Lexmark wants to comment then please do!!! And if you think my remarks are in any way libel then come and pay me a visit as i would love to make public the real evidence i have that Lexmark is taking the public for a very huge ride.
I can tell you people out there it is easy, just keep this in mind DO NOT PURCHASE A LEXMARK THIS IS THE WAY YOU WILL GET THEM TO CHANGE THEIR PRACTICE AS WELL AS OTHER COMPANIES WHO THINK THEY CAN RIP YOU OFF. I have managed so far to get everyone i know to dump their Lexmark or not purchase one!! And everyone of those people i know now have Cannon printers and not one to date has complained i was wrong! LEXMARK STILL OWES ME A REFUND ON TWO ALL IN ONES AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WASTED ON THEIR USELESS CARTRIDGES.GO TO YOUR LOCAL REFUSE DUMP AND SEE JUST HOW MANY LEXMARK PRINTERS AMONGST OTHER MAKES YOU WILL SPOT! AND LEXMARK FAR OUT WAY ANY OTHER PRINTER THAT IS THROWN AWAY.
by unknown on Jul 23, 2008 at 11:06am Add comment
I can't. Mine takes the 17/27 carts.
by pissed-off on Jul 23, 2008 at 5:49pm Add comment
the 17/27 cartridges are easy to refill just cut the top off along the seam with a razor blade and your in. just make sure you refill them straight away, once they dry out they have pretty much had it.
the ink crystallizes in the print head.
by unknown on Jul 23, 2008 at 6:59pm Add comment

I just bought a lexmark x2650 (for peanuts) and have always recharged z series lexmark, (if you got one new one -new?- for sale I buy)...

and ...

x2650 comes with brand new cartrige models: the 14 (bw) and 15 (color). after so many pages these will go DEAD. period. chip inside. lexmark says so.

I called lexmark and explained I ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE ABLE TO RECHARGE MYSELF as I live in Tahiti and sometimes supplies of specific cartriges are a problem... so if you sell in Tahiti you better allow folks to recharge...

So then lexmark told me you can use 14A and 15A which are RECHARGABLE... "not recommended" of course and ink gauge won't work but... indeed "rechargeable" (dixit lexmark). (interesting tidbit, they sell 14A and 15B as "high capacity" when the real reason for the A model is to satisfy supremes' order to offer rechargeable products... however supreme court did not mandate that these rechargeable be labeled as "rechargeable", hence the "high capacity" euphemism...

except lexmark don't sell'em (A models)... they have them on their site (to satisfy supreme court requirement to have rechargeable cartriges), but lexmark don't sell them... cute and clever, typical extension of the bush years...

and they're VERY HARD to find! I found some at provantage... we'll see.

So yes it is a scam, but if you find the right cartrige, (or #34 for others as I've seen here) there is a solution.

Good luck to all

by unknown on Aug 1, 2008 at 5:07pm Add comment
Since these printers are cheap and not the ink, I would recommend to all to strongly consider an Epson or a Canon. HP and Lexmark sell you a new print head with each cartridge. So while this helps the printer to run more trouble free it adds considerably to the cost of running these printers. Canon and Epson may experience more head clogs but they are manageable. I have found that I need to cover my Epson when not in use to keep it clean and keep the paper path clear. I have also learned to turn it off as soon as I'm done printing to send the head back to "home" position, which has reduced clogs considerably. I have found carts. as low as $2 each. There is a utility called SSC Service Utility v.4.3 which takes the place of the Epson status monitor and has amazing features. It will reset the Epson chips. It will clean the color cart. by it's individual colors and much more. I took a chance when I bought the $2 carts. After a few pages printed, the printer said the carts. were empty. I figured there was a compatibility issue between the $2 carts. and the Epson. So I found the SSC utility,reset the chips in the carts. and no more problem. I disabled the stingy Epson status monitor and have never printed so cheaply in my life. I used to refill my old Canon but at these prices I don't even bother to refill. Why deal with the mess? I generally buy printers based on the price of the ink. I'm not familiar with Brother,but I will say that Epson and Canon are the way to go if you don't like getting ripped off.
by tomalex1 on Aug 11, 2008 at 10:42pm Add comment
Thanks, I'm going to scrap my lexmark. That's really is disgusting. The high tech rip offs are new to me. I guess I should have just suspected it.
by davenb2003 on Aug 23, 2008 at 10:24pm Add comment
Just bought the Lexmark x3550 last month and already need new cartridges. The previous posts are correct... You can not refill the cartridges since the internal chip and driver software locks the cartidge after some amount of usage time, and not by ink level. I tried refilling the black cartridge when reached about half ink level, but the reported ink level continued to drop, and with no sign of being filled. When I replaced the original carts (#23 & #24) with some remanufactured hi-capacity ones (#34/32 & #35/33), I get the "Cartridge Incorrect" message on the printer's small display.

Next, I will search for some Lexmark printer driver hack/crack patch. We need some good software driver hackers and crackers to modify the Lexmark driver so that it ignores the chip. Any angry Lexmark coders out there?

This will be my last Lexmark printer.
by fbyrd99 on Aug 28, 2008 at 7:19am Add comment
Don't give up. I just got a used returned cartridge #35 for the Lexmark X3350, and refilled it as I've done many times before. It wouldn't work, kept getting same message as you, "incorrect cartridge". I tried an older colour cartridge I found, lo and behold it worked fine! even though it said ink levels were low. Try different cartridges, maybe they're putting chips in the newer ones so they can't be re-used or, as someone suggested check when obtaining to see if they're refillable. - Anonymous
Lexmark isn't alone in this deceptive practice. Nearly all of the printer makers are making printers with some type of "Exclusivity" built in. You have to use their cartridges or you can't use their printers and they have become increasingly more adept at making it very difficult to refill their cartridges. They apparently believe that the end user only makes one print of one page per week. The ink seems to go down if you use the printer or not. We are complaining about the price of gas....and I agree it's too high at nearly $4.00 a gallon......but I think the cost of ink for my printer is over a thousand dollars a gallon now. You'd think they were bringing the stuff from Prudo Bay via Russia by donkey caravan. You can still get the "A" series cartridges from Provantage. Lexmark lists them but won't sell them. You can refill the "A" cartridges....ie. 14A and 15A. However, when you put them back into the machine but the warning light remains lit and the each time you print something you are treated to all kinds of dire warnings. Also, be careful when you buy your next printer. Mine said it was a 3 in 1. I thought Printer/scanner/fax.
Turns out they meant Printer/copier/photo printer. I've been screwed worse......but I can't remember when. The fax and scan functions were disabled....so read the fine print.
by Lespot on Sep 3, 2008 at 5:59pm Add comment
I believe that I now have a refillable cartridge for my Lexmark X3550 series. Instead of buying the #23 cartridge, I bought the "high yield" #34 from a local Wal-Mart. This store can refill cartridges for $9.44 and has the #34 cartridge listed as refillable. They do not refill the #23 one. I have not yet installed the #34, and it is not part of the recycling program that the #23 belongs to. Both cartridges have the same size, shape and contact pins.
More on this after testing and refilling… I will also look for the Walmart list of refillable cartridges.

Fbyrd
by fbyrd99 on Sep 3, 2008 at 9:05pm Add comment
I don't know what the other companies are up to, but Lexmark screwed me on that purchase and I beat it to death after months of trying everything to get the thing to work with a refilled cartridge.

My advice, get a large heavy hammer and kill the printer and never get another Lexmark. Send them a note as to your disprovable and you will feel much better. I do. They even sent me a message a while ago asking how I liked the printer. Boy did they get another ear full.

I now have a Cannon with the individual color ink cartridges and love it. It was a little more expensive, about $50 but well worth the price.

Give up already. The effort on screwing with the Lexmark, a cheep and inferior product by far, just isn't worth it. I even post notes on the displays of this crap in stores almost daily telling people what they are in for. I just wish someone had done this for me. I'm only out $25, although the frustration was much more costly.
by Ekidokai on Sep 3, 2008 at 9:49pm Add comment
Just try to put used cartridge around 4-5 cartridges. It's will replaced the information inside memory printer. Because it can kept just only 3-4 cartridges in printer memory. All problem are solve if you could have that all cartridges. Just borrow it from your friends or else.
by Anonymous on Sep 7, 2008 at 3:00pm Add comment
Not worth the trouble. I will purchase anything but a Lexmark in the future and will investigate thoroughly any other purchase. We need to drive the big rip off companies out of business.
by davenb2003 on Sep 7, 2008 at 4:04pm Add comment
I'm not a real heavy user at home, so I've never looked into refilling the cartridges. Every so many months, a big chain grocery or hardware store puts a lexmark printer with two cartridges on sale for $30 or less. A month or so ago, Zellers (in Ontario,Canada)had some kind of mix up. They advertised the Lexmark Z1320's for $29.95. Because I signed up for their e-flyer, they emailed me a correction saying they were supposed to be $19.95 each. When I went to the store and verified it, all the signage was for $29.95. I had to go pickup my wife from work, came back a few hours later expecting them to be all gone, they still hadnt changed the signage...I bought a few of the suckers for 20 bucks each. The employees werent even told about the price change. Anyhow...I shudda went to all the stores in town and bought all of their inventory. A couple of the older deals in the past have even come with free USB cables and some with pkgs of photo paper.
Can you refill a cartridge for less than $10-15 ?
Anyhow, I have about a dozen new and next-to-new lexmark and HP printers in my basement, various models (just need ink!) if you know anyone that wants them...
by unknown on Sep 14, 2008 at 11:07pm Add comment
fromlgl,

The ink that usually comes with printers are starter cartridges that are really not full to capacity. With the printer costing less that a set of cartridges do you really think they would give you a full cartridge? They sell the printer at a loss and make up the money on the expensive cartridges.
by unknown on Sep 15, 2008 at 6:08am Add comment
AH HA HA HA...................i figured it out. lexmark number 31 and 32 are compatable with the 3500 series printers. so, we all will have to buy one more black and colored cartridge and then these one are refillable!! oh yeah uh huh!! screw you lexmark!!!
by unknown on Sep 17, 2008 at 9:12am Add comment
This is good news, but caution... When I replaced the original carts (#23 & #24) with some remanufactured hi-capacity ones, labled #34/32 & #35/33, I get the "Cartridge Incorrect" message on the printer's small display (model x3550), and they will not work. This means that we must purchase only original Lexmark carts to be safe. Many people are selling refilled carts that do not work (due to the internal chip). Also, I find that most stores do not maintain many of the Lexmart carts. Where did you find your carts?? - Anonymous
Maybe you have a different 3500 series than I do, but I read your thread, bought a #32 and my X3550 knows it is the wrong cartridge and will not work. I found a 23A on ebay at a considerable savings and have another guy checking with his sources for a import generic. If he finds something I'll try one and post his info if it works. - Anonymous
This thread is so interesting! But can someone tell me where to drill the hole on the Lexmark 44XL black cartrige (and the 43XL color cartridge)? Then I wiii fill her up and try the solutions given in this tread - and then report back.
by unknown on Sep 18, 2008 at 2:36am Add comment
Got an x2580 in a package from CC--it didn't come with a black cart--only color. Installation disc said 2500 series, so I checked Lexmark's site and found 34 was the hi-cap cart for x2500 series. No mention that LexM and CC made a pact to limit x2580s to #2 & #3 carts from CC. Anyone up for a class action? Anyone tried to disable the chip on the cart- -magnet/static/electrical shock? Any thoughts about whether that would do away with the Incompatible Cartridge message?
by unknown on Sep 18, 2008 at 1:29pm Add comment
I purchased a Lexmark Z2300 at the local Wal-Mart (cheap but I guess you get what you pay for applies here also). I seem to be having the same problem that other posters are having. The black cartridge went empty, i refilled it and it worked for a while, but now the computer won't recognize it. Will the 14A and 15A carts fix my problem or is this printer destined for the landfill?
by beef4me on Sep 20, 2008 at 6:16pm Add comment
I bought a model X5495 all-in-one at Sam's club. When the #14 & 15 cartridges were empty I replaced with 34 & 35 high capacity which I refilled when empty. The printer gave me all the "out of ink" and "Time to order ink from Lexmark" on screen messages and would not recognize that the ink was full. I changed the firewall settings as follows:
Blocked access to "Lexmark connect time executable", "Printer card trasfer monitor", and "Printer device monitor".
I removed both cartridges and unplugged the power from the printer, then I located and opened the LX_CATS folder mentioned earlier in this thread. there was a file for each of the four cartridges which had been installed. I deleted all four files from the folder and restarted the pc. and reinstalled the cartridges. The printer no longer remembers them but does recognize that the cartridges are used. Now I get a different message which only says "Out of original Lexmark ink. Damage caused by using refilled cart or non lexmark ink not covered by warranty" There is a "close" box. Just click "close" and the printing continues and the printer seems otherwise unaffected. I can accept this, especially when comparing 25 cents wort of ink to $55 for the 34/35 pair of new cartridges. Thanks to this forum for the info that led me to this solution.
by Angell on Sep 22, 2008 at 12:16pm Add comment
I made an error in my previous post. The original cartridges in my X5495 were 28& 29 not 14 & 15. Sorry. - Angell
I thought that the LexMark used cartridge # 28 & 29. - Anonymous
I HAVE THE SOLUTION!!!


Thanks Ekidokai for bringing me on the right way.
by Anonymous on Sep 23, 2008 at 11:25am Add comment
the only thing you have to do is to place a piece of clear adhesive tape over the top left contact.

IT WORKS !!!
by Anonymous on Sep 24, 2008 at 1:27am Add comment
On my Lexmark X3550, I tried covering the top left contact on the original black cart. The printer warns "Left Cartridge Incorrect" and will not print from it. I also tried covering other pins individually and in many combinations. Each time there was some warning from the printer, and not permitting print from the cart. - Anonymous
Thank you so much for the posted information. It solved my problem regarding the use of refilled cartridge. Keep up the good work in helping those whose grasping for a solution in technical problem in the world of technology. Your information will be spread to those who in one way or the other needed the same help. Again, thank you so much. Good JOB.. - Anonymous
Remember, my #32 & #33 carts were not original Lexmark. They were remanufactured carts, purchased on Ebay, had very professional packaging and cart labeling, had the black plastic engraved Lexmark enclosure, but had no other manufacturing info. My X3550 printer immediately warns "Incorrect Cart", and will not continue. So, I am not sure what these carts were originally. I paid $15.00 for the set.

The color cart is labeled "Remanufactured Ink Jet Cartridge, Replacement for Lexmark 35/33, 18C0035/33, COLOR Inc Cartridge, Not a Lexmark Product".

The black cart is labeled "Remanufactured Ink Jet Cartridge, Replacement for Lexmark 34/32, 18C0034/32, BLACK Inc Cartridge, Not a Lexmark Product".
by Anonymous on Sep 24, 2008 at 6:15am Add comment
Has anyone tried using 2 different printers that use the same cartridge, swapping an 'empty' cartridge from one printer to the other? (lexmark, that is)
by unknown on Sep 26, 2008 at 4:37pm Add comment
cover the two bottom outside contacts with black electrical tape. Although i got this to work for me after trying a few different things, at the present time i am a fraid to take it out and experiment again until it is empty.If you try it let me know if it works for you.
by unknown on Sep 27, 2008 at 4:09am Add comment
Yes Brand. The following that you wrote does work! :-) Thank you so much! This worked for me! It is the two outside contacts only. I found if you cover the middle one which is what I first tried, it will not print at all. It just tells me the cartridge is low on ink but does print just fine. I don't know for how long, but it is printing when before it would not.

Brand said,
"cover the two bottom outside contacts with black electrical tape. Although i got this to work for me after trying a few different things, at the present time i am a fraid to take it out and experiment again until it is empty.If you try it let me know if it works for you."
- unknown
could you kindly explain where on the cartridge you call the bottom outside contacts (maybe with the aid of an arrow on a pic) so that I know I'm covering the right spot with electrical tape? - Anonymous
could you kindly explain where on the cartridge you call the bottom outside contacts (maybe with the aid of an arrow on a pic) so that I know I'm covering the right spot with electrical tape? - Anonymous
Hiya peeps

all you need to do is place a thin strip of scotch tape over the bottom contacts, should be 4 or 5 contacts... that resets the chip showing a ? over a full cartridge. So now the cartridge count has been reset and once this one is empty remove the tape and the cartridge will work like new.

repeat the process whenever the cartridge is empty...

with that peeps - rock on!
by mystic on Sep 30, 2008 at 5:50am Add comment
Could you upload a picture somewhere and post the link?

Like some of the other posts here, I've tried vairous combos and nothin seems to work out.
Thanks. - unknown
Tried with with a remanufactured #34 in my X8350. (Was getting invalid cartridge to start with.) When the bottom row is covered, the printer cannot detect the cartridge. Removing the tape just takes me back to the invalid cartridge error. Returned cartridge and tried another -- same error. - JMW082
Wow, after all the advice given, I refiled my "28" cartridge (drilled a hole through top side of it and filled it with ink) took your advice and presto, this time when I stuck it in my Lexmark X5495 it worked.

thanks a million xxxxxxx

- Anonymous
well not very good ones at the moment but i'll give it a go w/ what i've handy...

firstly plz note that this ISN'T a fix, just simply a workaround that allows people to print. also before i reinstalled the cartridge i renamed the lx_cat folder (ex: c:/documents and settings/*user*/program files/lx_cat), not that it matters but i renamed it lx_cat09302008 so i could do another test on the chips later on.

hopefully ya got the cart in front of you at the moment... pull a half inch piece of scotch tape out from the teeth w/o tearing the tape off in sticky excitement. then take a pair of scissors and finger that section of the tape into 1/8"-1/4" pieces. now rip one of those off and discard the rest LOL... place it across the contacts displayed in the image from the provided link:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/mysticmerc/shit/printer.jpg

kk, now that that is complete the real answer lies with the next image, here ya go:

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h304/mysticmerc/shit/Resetter.jpg

the main reason lexmark and other creepy companies put these little darlings in place to steal your money. otherwise printers wouldn't be inexpensive, they'd be very pricey and probably include some sort of rental plan, which wouldn't fly and everyone of those companies would be like merrill lynch, bankrupt and pimped out on a $2 street corner. so they made throw away printers but charge by the ink cartridge... until people discovered how to drill holes in non-refillable cartridges and the fad caught on... ceo's were in a panic, hurling themselves out of their top floor windows... until someone bright enough, probably was working in the mailroom at the time for whichever company, had an epiphany about managing (actually called micro-managing) the consumer's right to own their equipment

and so the consumer's thought up a chip resetter, basically like flashing but done physically with lexmarks instead of programming.

hope everyone enjoyed the marketing story, and while almost believable, it's all bullshit :)
by mystic on Sep 30, 2008 at 10:01am Add comment
i modfay "by chance" the program to say that your cartridg color is neeed to repaced soon and it print with out any eror but no color is printing an the blink light is steady
by Anonymous on Oct 2, 2008 at 9:36am Add comment
I've just purchased several EMTPY carts (#34 and #35) via Ebay. As soon as I've got some spare time, I'm gonna check if my X4550 recognizes them as "old'n'empty" or new & full. Also, since I have 3 #34s and 2 old 23s, I can check if the myth about the printer "remembering" only 3 different serial numbers is true or not.
This will take some time however. I'll post again in a few days...
by unknown on Oct 7, 2008 at 4:12am Add comment
Hello everyone.

I have the Lexmark z2320.
After reading this site, i went playing with putting tape on the contacts.

AND I FOUND THE ANSWER FOR REFILLING BLACK, CARTRIDGE #14:
If you look at the contacts you see 7 'lines' horizontal. The first 'line' has 4 contacts, the second line 3 contacts...then 4, 4, 4, 2, 4. Ok, that's how it should look like. If not you probably don't have #14 in front of you.

Now, the only thing you have to do is to tape the last 'line'. This 'line' consists of 4 contacts.

Put your cartridge back into your printer. Now the printing program can't tell you anything of the level, but your printer will print!

Good Luck, i hope this helped!
Micks
by Anonymous on Oct 8, 2008 at 4:53pm Add comment
I have a Lexmark z2300, I suppose this method will work on it since it uses a #14 black cart? What type of tape do you use?
also have you tried doing this with refilling The color cart #15
If so, is the taping method the same? - Anonymous
I have a z2300 and it uses the 14 black and 15 color. What about the #15 color? - Anonymous
Have you found the answer to the #15 cartridge? - Anonymous
Thanks a lot! It's works for me.

I use Lexmark X5650. After my black cartridge #36 has run out,
I try to use the refilled one but can't use it.
It's always give me the warning....

I taped the bottom row of contact as this recommend
It was show missing black cartridge at first but after shutdown
and re turn on it shown unknown status like this picture
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7871/refilledx5650.jpg
and printable.

Thanks again,
Chokechai - unknown
I think we all agree by now to scrap these printers and get a canon/brother.
the amount of hours gone into trying to figure these out is crazy.
could have told you all that lexmark are sh_thouse from the start.

"You get what you pay for".

"If you pay peanuts,you get monkeys".
by unknown on Oct 8, 2008 at 9:56pm Add comment
The cartridge that is giving you problems, is it made in mexico, or philippines? I refilled a black 28 made in phillippines, on my Z1300, I had no problems.
by unknown on Oct 12, 2008 at 4:02am Add comment
hate this printer. There MUST be way to create cartridges that the printer *thinks* are new. AArrg!
by scottyboy on Oct 12, 2008 at 12:03pm Add comment
Gentlemen: my Lexmark X3550 gives me a "color cartridge replacement required" message, with, of course, instructions on how to replace the cartridge, but at the bottom it has a wee square that says "complete A print" which I check and as long as I check it, it will print till there is no ink in the cartridge, and that, as far as I am concerned solves the problem til I insert another cartridge and it reads full again.
hope this helps.
by unknown on Oct 12, 2008 at 8:43pm Add comment
Yes thats wonderful for you. Thats not what this is all about. Just read a little of the prior posts to find out what is going on.

For the rest of us that have been refilling, Lexmark is the worst kind of evil.

I have a pitchfork and two torches ready at the moment. I'm gathering an unruly mob and we are in need of more tools.

Anyone want to come along? Do you have any extra pitchforks?
by unknown on Oct 15, 2008 at 8:10am Add comment
I am so mad about not being able to refill my carts... I am ready to "Tar & Ink" Lexmark.

We need a way to disable this in the printer. Covering the cart pins may only "seem" to work since the printer will use the color cart to print Black, when the Black cart is not working. (I say "not working" because the Black cart can have ink, but the Lexmark printer firmware tells the printer to not use that cart. Many of us understand this, but many others do not.) - Anonymous
My wife bought a Lexmark 3500 real cheap at wallymart for a "family present" at Christmas. 8 months later and 2 new carts. without printing much all I can say is BS.
by Anonymous on Oct 18, 2008 at 5:00pm Add comment
Kill it! Kill it! Make it die before it spreads.
by unknown on Oct 19, 2008 at 6:21am Add comment
I will NEVER buy another Lexmark printer. I am on my third and fourth printers. The old Z45 I have is still being refilled after 5 years and working up at the cottage, no problem. The newer 1270 stopped printing in colour after I returned from 6 weeks away. Refilled, no use. Bought new cartridge, still didn't work. Cleaned contacts etc with alcohol (should have just drank the stuff....) didn't work. Got online with Lexmark support, walked through all the same steps I'd already taken, to be told that the printer has failed. (It still prints in black and white at this point). Uninstalled and reinstalled the printer. Still prints only b/w, BUT NOW only after it gives me an error message. Brand new 1400 series wiresless is a piece of crap too, with the embedded chips and constant messages. I've bought the high yield cartridges, and they don't work any better once the ink runs low. With the amount of time I've spent trying to circumvent these bleeping printers and cartridges, I've probably lost 3 weeks of my life. Going out to price Canon printers tomorrow.
by Anonymous on Oct 20, 2008 at 12:34pm Add comment
Was reading somewhere that when the newer Lexmark cartridges (i,e. #14 + #15) thinks they have reached their empty level, the print head nozzle burns out so it wont work electronically.
by unknown on Oct 20, 2008 at 8:16pm Add comment
Hi,

as I posted a few weeks ago, I bought some empty used carts. I wanted to check if the rumors, that the printers can only "remember" 3 different carts are true. Well, they aren't!
Although the carts have never been in the printer (X4550) before, it recognized them as (almost) empty. So that leaves two options:
1. The printer writes the number of printed pages onto some kind of chip within the cart (very likely). -> Nothing you can do about it!
2. Via the strange data collection (s. up above) that Lexmark is up to, the serial numbers of the carts might be stored in some databank that the printers/Lexmark software has access to. (This sounds very ridiculous and mostly unlikely. But then again, its Lexmark!)

I'm going to print as much as I can with the carts I have left. Then I'm gonna look for some fool that I can sell this piece of garbage.

Still, if anyone finds out how to crack the Lexmark Software...please tell us!
by unknown on Oct 26, 2008 at 11:59am Add comment
I have a Lexmark X4530 that I am having the same problems as discussed above. I have just refilled the third black cartridge that I have purchased and use up for it. The color cartridge has long been dry but I don't need it any more as I just use the printer for shipping labels. I refilled it with no problems but the printer still claims that it is empty. I was dumb enough to contact Lexmark about the problem and have just received their reply, short and rude. Now I am afraid that if I buy a new cartridge that it might not recognize it. I really need to get some more use out of this printer but cannot afford all new ink cartridges. If I can get just am little more use out of it I plan to send it back to Lexmark in a box in little pieces with a nice letter. In the mean time I plan on starting to look on ebay for a cannon as it seems to be the most recomended brand in the above posts. Hope that some of you guys can come up with a solution soon, thanks for all the help....reandbe
by reandbe on Oct 27, 2008 at 11:32pm Add comment
I am working on a catapult that I can pull behind my car. I will then gather the printers and crummy cartridges and we can fling them at Lexmark, until the cops arrive anyway.

Who's in?
by unknown on Oct 28, 2008 at 7:54am Add comment
can we load a few politicians too? we have boocoo.
by unknown on Oct 28, 2008 at 9:35am Add comment
Hi Guys, With help from this site I fixed the problem of refilling the lexmark cartridges 28 and 29. I have a lexmark x5320 printer which uses 28 and 29 return program cartridges.
All I had to do was cut a piece of clear tape about 1/8 by 1/2 inch long and tape it to the bottom row of contracts. Four contracts on mine, Make sure you turn power off first and then just pull the cartridge to the right and put the old one in and push it back to the left. Close the lid and turn on. When you start printing it puts a Question mark on the ink gauge, so it doesnt know how much ink is left. Worked great, didn't say ink was low or anything Just PRINTS. Just wanted to let you guys know and thanks. John
by Anonymous on Nov 11, 2008 at 3:12pm Add comment
When I do that it yes the question mark on ink level comes up but when I try to print it says cartridge missing and click on continue and the same message comes up again. - daveo76
The taping of the contacts works for my Lexmark cartidge 28, however I now can only print in color. I am not able to select the "Print Color Images in Black and White" option in the Properties section of the Lexmark printing. I cannot put a check mark in this section, the words are lighter than the other options like "Quick Print", "Normal" and "Photo". Is there a away of checking this off so that I can only print in black ink? - Ronad
(quoted from previous post:)

"Hi Guys, With help from this site I fixed the problem of refilling the lexmark cartridges 28 and 29. I have a lexmark x5320 printer which uses 28 and 29 return program cartridges.
All I had to do was cut a piece of clear tape about 1/8 by 1/2 inch long and tape it to the bottom row of contracts. Four contracts on mine, Make sure you turn power off first and then just pull the cartridge to the right and put the old one in and push it back to the left. Close the lid and turn on. When you start printing it puts a Question mark on the ink gauge, so it doesnt know how much ink is left. Worked great, didn't say ink was low or anything Just PRINTS. Just wanted to let you guys know and thanks. John"
-----

John ->

I have a feeling this "trick" you came up with is actually just a trick on yourself. I'm not sure about how it works with your printer, but i use the Lexmark X5495 and the same cartridges. When I tried this, it did indeed print, but I figured out that is because it used the color ink. The printer is designed to automatically "Complete-A-Print" (as its called by Lexmark. This means it uses your color ink to print the page. (Try this by taking out the black ink cartridge and printing a page. If it prints, you'll know it uses color.) It looks black only because of all the mixed colors. So in actuality, you were just wasting color ink; or at least that's how it would work out for my printer.

- unknown
I tried the tape thing and it worked great with the Black ink #28. The color ink cart says "missing right cart".
I have the X5495 and the color ink is #29
Any suggestions?
by unknown on Nov 14, 2008 at 5:45pm Add comment
I have read the entire post on this problem, and found no one mentioned the problem I'm having with my "refilled" Lexmark 34 High Capicity cartridge in the Lexmark X4530 Wifi All-in-one. After refilling, my printer gives me the sams B.S. messages about the Black Cartridge being empty and the small printer screen advises that I'm not using genuine Lexmark ink and my warranty will be void. I print a calibrate page - all goes well. Nice bold solid black line at the top of the page. Now for the crap....when I attempt to "Copy" or "Print-in Normal Mode", I get evenly spaced blank 1/4" blank portions, running from left to right accross the page. To correct this I have to request the document print in "Photo Quality", thus no savings in ink cost. I have run the cartridge cleaning maintenance program several time and the cart prints perfectly. Anyone know if this is just Lexmark "screwing with me" or is my cartridge bad? I agree with the "large hammer" repair for Lexmark!!
by jpetrel on Nov 17, 2008 at 9:51am Add comment
I have a lexmark z2300 and it uses 14 and 15. I do not have the 14 cartridge and if anyone has figured out how to trick this one it would be appreciated. I tried the tape on the last 4 contacts and it reads "no cartridge installed". So, what about the #15?
by unknown on Nov 20, 2008 at 8:48am Add comment
Here is a link to refilling lexmark 15 http://www.refillinstructions.com/Lexmark/L16.htm
by unknown on Nov 30, 2008 at 9:08am Add comment
That's 15A

As previously stated the A series are difficult to get and they can be refilled.
by Ekidokai on Nov 30, 2008 at 10:15am Add comment
GUYS

FIRSTLY I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME AND EFFORT TO GO ON THE NET AND EXPLAIN METHODS TO OVERCOME THIS LEXMARK PRINTING PROBLEMS. I PLACED A THIN PIECE OF TAPE ON THE LAST 4 CONTACTS OF THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE CARTRAGE, AND IT WORKED!!!IT RECOGNISES IT AS A NEW CARTRAGE. THANKS TO YOU GUYS AND EVERYONE WHO MAKES AN EFFORT TO EXPLAIN A SOLUTION TO OTHERS ON THESE TYPES OF WEBSITES, IT'S CAUSE OF YOU GUYS THAT PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE ABLE TO SAVE MONEY. ALL THE VERY BEST... MRCOOL
by unknown on Dec 16, 2008 at 5:29am Add comment
I can confirm that I just tried the tape over the bottom four contacts on the colour cartridge (a non lexmark clone that was not working before). This method does allow you to get past the messages, etc. It may give a message about a missing cartridge but you can still get past that. Good luck and s***w lexmark!!! - Anonymous
anybody know anything about the 23's or 24's.

I sent lexmark a message very adamantly stating that there is no chance they will receive another dime from me or anybody else I happen to know in the market for anything their company has to market.

How do you fix the 23 and 24's?

I really don't want to go get a refund from the nice guy who owns the store I went to for the refill.
by unknown on Dec 23, 2008 at 5:42pm Add comment
I have bought a Lexmark x6500 series printer, the cartriage number is 44(Black), i can't refill it either. I paid 100 bucks for the printer, till now I have paid another 100 bucks for the cartridge. I was ripped off.
And what is more, I did not print much. JUST DON'T BUY ANY LEXMARK PRINTER.
by unknown on Dec 26, 2008 at 7:51pm Add comment
Yeah, this is a rip with Lexmark. I just want to throw this printer on the freeway. If anyone has cracked the cartridge #15 for the z2300 I would be very happy. Good looking out for the #14.
by unknown on Dec 26, 2008 at 10:09pm Add comment
I just special ordered a 29A color cartridge for my Lex 5495.

I have read on this forum that this is the only type of colored cartridge for my printer that can be refilled.

I will let you all know if I can do this.

A few weeks ago put in a color cartridge (regular 29) and the printer is already "using" the ink, even though I have not printed very much, if anything, in color. I suspect that the printer adjusted the color ink level down every time you print something, even if it is only all black.

As I have written earlier, the black ink with the tape is working great and I am able to refill this.

by unknown on Dec 27, 2008 at 8:57am Add comment
I also have the X5495. You can also refill the "high capacity" cartridges #34 & #35. As I previously posted, I bought a model X5495 all-in-one at Sam's club. When the #28 & 29 cartridges were empty I replaced with 34 & 35 high capacity which I refilled when empty. The printer gave me all the "out of ink" and "Time to order ink from Lexmark" on screen messages and would not recognize that the ink was full. I changed the firewall settings as follows:
Blocked access to "Lexmark connect time executable", "Printer card transfer monitor", and "Printer device monitor".
I removed both cartridges and unplugged the power from the printer, then I located and opened the LX_CATS folder mentioned earlier in this thread. there was a file for each of the four cartridges which had been installed. I deleted all four files from the folder and restarted the pc. and reinstalled the cartridges. The printer no longer remembers them but does recognize that the cartridges are used. Now I get a different message which only says "Out of original Lexmark ink. Damage caused by using refilled cart or non lexmark ink not covered by warranty" There is a "close" box. Just click "close" and the printing continues and the printer seems otherwise unaffected. I can accept this, especially when comparing 25 cents worth of ink to $55 for the 34/35 pair of new cartridges. - Angell
Hello!
I'm very happy with all the studies of this terrible Lexmark.
We have a Lexmark X2650 with the numers 15 (black) and 16 (colour).
I managed to fix the troubles with the black inkt by taping the 4 contacts below. Also tried to do this on the 16, but than it gives a message that there's no cartridge. Does anyone perhaps have a found a solution how to tape the numer 16?
Thanks for all the advices!!
by Harma on Dec 28, 2008 at 3:01pm Add comment
Earlier in my message I mixed up the numbers. The black one is 14 and the colour is 15. The #14 is working again after refilling, thanks to the informations here. I'm now trying to tape the 15, but haven't found the solution yet. It doesn't work to tape a horizontal line. I wonder if anyone would like to try further with me.
Line 1 taped gives the message: unsupported cartridge
Line 2 taped: color cartridge replacement required (so the 'normal'message)
Line 3 taped: unsupported message
Line 4 taped: color cartridge replacement required
Line 5 taped: unsupported cartridge
Line 6 taped: unsupported cartridge
Line 7 taped: print cartridge missing

Does anyone have any suggestions in which line the chip could be?
by Harma on Jan 1, 2009 at 9:47am Add comment
ok- you can add me to the others who thought they were getting a good price on a #\%$&*^ printer! I have a z2300 which I bought this spring and had been using (w the enclosed color cart.) until this week when I decided to buy a new one # 15 this week-end at Wal-Mart.
The one provided was running low and as I wanted to print up some pix I thought I'd get another. Well lo and behold DIDN"T WORK. I told my husband jokingly that this seemed like a conspiracy and he of course looked at me like I was nuts until I stumbled upon this website. I cannot in my wildest dreams believe any company could pull this c&\%$. Before I found your site I stupidly e-mailed Lexmark.Can't wait for the reply ! Anyway I tried the tape thing with no sucess and I tried going into the properties of the printer and the advanced thing- unchecked all(only one thing was checked anyway)and kept getting a message that operation was completed successfully- NOT!!!! I had to go back and recheck-" Enable advanced printing features " in order to print anything. My black ink is working so I guess I should be grateful for that- Have been working on solving this thing ALL DAY- Happy New Year to me and a very very horrible New Year to you Lexmark- real unhappy printer
by Anonymous on Jan 1, 2009 at 6:40pm Add comment
Thanks for your answer. I guess I can stop now with the taping.
I wondered if you've tried to change printersettings in the register. I really intend to fix this thing.
Looking in 'regedit' there are two maps where the solution might be (according to me). There's a map +Lexmark Inktjet +IjPrtSettings +OFN1 in which there seem to be countings of the number of papers. I want to try if anything works if I'll change someting here.
Than in this same map 1 degree further there's another called +PSW
where probably lies the answer.
Did you also try to change things here? I continue studying and hope to find the solution.
This is a new year, so may be there will be new answers!!!
by Harma on Jan 2, 2009 at 2:44am Add comment
Like you when something gets under my skin I get pretty determined-especially in this case when people are getting royally ripped off.The thing is I am pretty good w the computer but certain things I leave alone as I do not want to screw up this thing- it is my daughter's old laptop and it is not running tip top anyway. I will continue to come to this site and see if anything else develops and of course tell anyone that will listen about Lexmark and lastly-ha ha wait with baited breath for Lexmark to reply to my e- mail. Thanks - unhappy printer
ok, i really appreciate all the info. just bought a lexmark x4650, cartridges 36 and 37. should i assume if i buy the 36A and 37A that i will be able to refill??
this is a great post but it doesn't do enough to get the word out to others to avoid LEXMARK like the PLAGUE... ideas? i'm willing to spend some effort to keep others from making the same mistake
anyone with info on the 36 or 37... pipe in! please!
thx
by flybuddy on Jan 9, 2009 at 7:32am Add comment
Hey, I have a Lexmark x3650 and I solved the problem with the no 36 cart. Just tape the bottem line of contacts and it will print..however, I am still trying to solv the problem with the no 37... - unknown
Did you find anything to solve your problem with 36 and 37 lexmark cartridges? - Anonymous
Hello!

I'm glad for finding out this site! I was becoming angrier and angrier as I read some pages telling about cartridges 28 & 29 can't be refilled (well, you know...) and a few people telling that cartridges 28A & 29A or 34 & 35 should be bought for a refilling purpose. Sure? I won´t buy them if I'm not sure. I bought my X2530 because I needed a new scanner and I already had a Z700 and a 5700 waiting for new cartridges. I haven't got success with my last refills, so the X2530 seemed a good solution for me, keeping in mind I would not have to buy more lexmark carts if I take care when refilling the carts bundled with the new printer. But lexmark has shown me their middle finger!! My 28 & 29 are almost empty so I've started looking for refilling info and I've found this BS and all of your walk-through process to find a workaround.

I see there is not a successful solution yet, but I thank you very much for your efforts. If I can make any try with my still not empty carts, just post the instructions. I wish I could help. I could return to the Z700 with new carts for about 50€ but I don´t want just a so big scanner (the X2530). I also have a clean w2k installation waiting to receive the X2530 printer. Maybe I should use the hammer before plug it in. Ah!, I didn´t remember I made a crash landing with an epson printer after its first and unsuccessful refilling attempt. Then I bought the Z700... Maybe I have got a X2530 jumbo waiting to take off!!

Thanks from Spain!
by guitfan on Jan 10, 2009 at 1:13pm Add comment
anyluck with #42 refill for x6500
by lex42 on Jan 12, 2009 at 12:37am Add comment
Also having issues with #34 and #35 remanufactured, with a Lexmark X8350. It says the 34 is not supported and the 35 is out of ink. I have no lx_cats folder -- I think Lexmark caught onto to folks. Any ideas anyone?
by JMW082 on Jan 15, 2009 at 9:37pm Add comment
I've tried with a couple of remanufactured #34 & #35 in my x2530. However, it says #34 is out of original lexmark ink and showes an "X" into a red circle over the ink level and a yellow triangle with a "!" over the cartridge. And what about #35? Printer showes an incompatible cartridge message every time I try to print a test page, run a cartridges cleaning,... And I can´t do anything. But if I remove the #35 I can print in b&w after the annoying out of original lexmark ink message. I can´t get rid of this message although I check the chekbox to avoid it anymore. I've also tried with #34 and my original #29. Then I can print in colour and b&w. But #34 has its printhead too obstructed and I haven´t been able to improve it. So I'm going to return the carts set and try with another remanufactured set. I wish I haven´t got the same experience with #35 than JMW082 with #34. I wish I only get an out of original lexmark ink message for both carts next time.
by guitfan on Jan 19, 2009 at 6:40am Add comment
I guess my other post never made it on here. Anyway long story short I e-mailed Lexmark re my color cartridge problem and they said they would send me a new cartridge- the one I bought in Walmart would not work. I received the free cartridge today and Guess What- It Worked !!!! Now I know for sure that big brother is watching my printing. !!!!! Guess I have no option if I want to print in color- I'll have to continue to buy my cartridges from Lexmark. I cannot believe this is going on.
by unhappy printer on Jan 19, 2009 at 6:26pm Add comment
what really urinates me off is I always check the refill sites before buying a printer to make sure I can refill cartridges. And all the refill sites sell refill kits for all the lexmark printers. I now have lexmark 1300, 2500, and 5650 printers and am having trouble with refilling cartridges and using bought refilled cartridges on all 3 printers. Now that I have read this thread I know I am not alone. It isn't just lexmark - it is deceptive 3rd party vendors also. Sigh.
by unknown on Jan 19, 2009 at 8:59pm Add comment
I have an X5320 Lexmark printer. I refilled the 28A black cartridge and it still read as almost empty. I then tried taping contacts as suggested, but now I get message stating that both cartridges are missing, though it will print if I click continue box. I sent e-mail to Lexmark to complain that I cannot refill their refillable cartridges, they were of no help - talked about don't use third party kits and voided warranty.
by unknown on Jan 21, 2009 at 9:59pm Add comment
I have tried everything here for my #14 cart and still no luck. the black has a "?" and the printer will print only from the color cart. PLEASE if anyone has any more ideas.
by unknown on Jan 25, 2009 at 6:31pm Add comment
Anyone have any ideas how to tape a #34?

Thanks.
by JMW082 on Jan 25, 2009 at 9:15pm Add comment
I've a Z1300 and later i have buy one cartidge #34 and one cartridge #35. Both #34 & #35 are refillable (software report their empty, but carts works!). The Very REAL problem is the VERY FEW refill possible :( :(
After only 3 refill, the print head of both the cartridges are very deteriorated and trashed.

Really, no more Lexmark in my life!



by unknown on Jan 29, 2009 at 7:39am Add comment
Hello, this seems pretty nuts to me. I have a z2300 and i had gotten a #14 black cart. for it, since it did not come with one. Now the color ink has run out and it won't let me print B/W. I don't understand why the color ink cart. is required to print in B/w when there is a full black cart. there. So i came here looking for a way to trick it into seeing the #15 cart. as full so it would print B/W. Any suggestions?
by unknown on Jan 31, 2009 at 2:12pm Add comment
Hello everyone
...I finally solved my problem with lexmark. I sold it on Ebay, but I made sure they knew that the ink cartridges could not be refilled. This 4530 was my fifth or sixth lexmark. It will be my last one. I got an hp and have already bought refilled cartridges at a ridiculously low price. I will keep watching just to see if anyone can figure a workaround on this. GOOD LUCK ALL!!!!!
by reandbe on Jan 31, 2009 at 3:27pm Add comment
I purchased a new #32 Lexmark to try but got the same error. Went on line with Lexmark support -- still the same error. Probably a hardware issue, so just use as a scanner and fax and skip the printing as it is out of warranty. (Actually, I just got a HP from ebay, so I will be giving this away.)

Spent two occasions using Lexmark technical support chat. Both times I was instructed to clean the contacts on the cartridge and on the printer. I was told it is probably something wrong with the contacts in the printer. So if anyone knows how to fix this issue, I would appreciate it. I have tried using compressed air and cleaning with alcohol, but no change.
by JMW082 on Feb 3, 2009 at 7:18pm Add comment
I have used lexmark printers since my firs X75 print trio in Dec of 02. I still have this printer and refill the cartidges and works awsome.

For the past 2+ years I use 2) X7350...I love the printers, I use one connected to my printer and the second for a stand alone copier. I have printed thousands of pages, faxed, scanned with no jams or problems other than

right cartridge incorrect or right cartridge missing errors

I use the 32 black and 33 color and refill them both. I am able to refill the black several times without a problem, but the color will give me the error sometime during only the first refill. It will print fine one day and the next day when I turn on the printer it will come up with the right cartrdge incorrect error just out of the blue.

I have done all the cleaning etc, very rarely it will work after that, installing a brand new cartridge will correct the problem.

I am interested if anyone has had success with this or does lexmark program somehow make the copper contact strip innoperable. I am thinking that is what they do.

just the other day i installed on a new computer and downloaded drivers from lexmark, I noticed that they were a newer version than the original cd, the next day after installing I got the right cartridge error message, coincedance? I am thinking not.

Thank you for all that have posted with help info, and to those that just want to print buy another printer etc, please start your own thread as you just clutter this one up and make it take longer to read and filter to get to helpful information.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation
by unknown on Feb 4, 2009 at 6:27am Add comment
PS I do refill with quality in from printfillingstation and I use a digital scale, cartriges need to be refilled at .08 and are full at 1.4, but I usually only fill to 1.1 or so as to prevent extra leakage from print head,

filling the color I am carefull as to not overfill as the colors sometimes will run into the other color wells and mix colors ruining the cartrige color output

I fill each well with less instead of more and also by the colors I use the most. I do document work and use the red and blue the most so I am carefull not to overfill the yellow turning the blue to green

sometimes I have taken the cover off to reveal the color well so as not to overfill.

also I have recently found this printer for $60.00 online and some sites offering free shipping. with the price of a combo black and color at around $45.00 for an extra $15, I ordered another X7350 so if and when I wear one of mine out I am able to replace it.

I hope this helps someone and I am still looking for anyone who is able to find a fix to this problem of the right cartridge

thanks and have a blessed day to all
by Anonymous on Feb 4, 2009 at 6:40am Add comment
Who know refill and reset #28 and #29?
by Anonymous on Feb 4, 2009 at 11:22pm Add comment
By accident and drinking, I sent my Lexmark Z1300 a print job, knowing it has refilled cartridges, and wouldn't work. I got the Lexmark error, "Out of original Lexmark ink" I hit close. Then I got the message "continue printing". and after that I got a Message to "recycle".
Because I'm stupid I resent the print job. Got the "out of original ink" hit close. Got the continue message, and I hit continue. It started to work.
Now I just send the job twice, and it prints so far! I have even refille the cartritages!
by unknown on Feb 7, 2009 at 12:47pm Add comment
I've got Lexmark Z1320 8 month ago. It was supplied with 28/29 cartidges and after about 2 month of work they expired as expected, refilling doesn't work. So I bought 34/35 cartidges and refilled both 5 or 6 times, they showed no ink, but after clicking "don't remind me of empty cartiges" it worked perfect.

Until yesterday. When I sent anything to print, Lexmark drivers showed a message that I need to throw my cartridges away and get a new pair.

I digged the web, read all I could find and found that nobody's got the final solution.

On every PC with Lexmark Z1320 connected and installed there's a \%program files\%\\Lx_cats folder, it contains all the info about printer working life and cartridges. This information is somehow stored in printer, because when I connect used printer to the new PC, Lx_cats folder appeares with the same content about printer.
I also think (but I don't have proof) that Lexmark printer software reports to lexmark about all their printers work in all the world, I didn't tested that.

So I made some research, to find out how the printer knows about the cartridge wear.

Inside Lexmark Z1320 there are only two serial memory chips:
1. AT45DB011B (ATMEL serial dataflash) rather big, I think it contains the printer's firmware.
2. AT24C16B (ATMEL serial eeprom, marked ATMLH704 16B 1). This one definitely holds cartidge info. I desoldered it and read with I2C reader.

And the answer is YES, this 2kbyte memory hold printer USB serial number and serial numbers of all 4 cartridges I've used. Below I'll show fragments of files to proof this.

from the 20A090385005377.A00 file from Lx_cats folder
-//
PrinterUSBId=20A090385005377
//-

from the Lexmark_Z1320.bin file (AT24C16B dump)
-//
0000000050: 0F 32 30 41 30 39 30 33 │ 38 35 30 30 35 33 37 37 ☼20A090385005377
//-

20A090385005377.A00
-//
CCartID=618556294
//-

converted DEC to HEX 618556294 --> 24DE6B86

Lexmark_Z1320.bin
-//
00000000D0: 63 76 3B 23 86 6B DE 24 │ FF FF FF FF BE 80 58 23 cv;#Æk▐$    ╛ÀX#
//-

here bytes are in the backward order 24DE6B86 is 86 6B DE 24


And all other CartID's are in there. At the time of writing I don't have I2C writer, but I've bought an empty 24C16 from ST Microelectronics and soldered it in my Lexmark Z1320.

IT WORKED !!! Partially ;-)

First, since there is no PrinterUSBId in empty eeprom, Windows XP showed message that it's a new Lexmark Z1320 printer and installed it automatically.

Second, Lexmark drivers said that I need to calibrate cartridges.
After calibration drivers said that cartridges are empty :-(

Third, I checked "don't remind me of empty cartiges" and it works again without loosing jobs to the printer and saying that I need to install new cartidges. Although in the print status window there is a small reminder that I will need new cartridges soon.

So I think for some time I don't have to buy new cartidges and will proceed refilling used 34/35 pair.

Lexmark drivers have created a new file in Lx_cats folder named 000000000000000.A00 (since PrinterUSBId is empty). It contains only info about 34/35 pair and I think printer doesn't remember it's first 28/29. Also number of pages for 34/35 cartridges was reset, but level is zero :-(

Here what it contains, again only fragments

20A090385005377.A00
-//
[MonoCartData] NumberOfKeys=8
MCartType=NewTIF
MCartYield=Standard
MCartInstallDate=1212806275
MCartID=591099491
MCartILevel=0
MCartSeqNumber=3
MCartTPages=2797
MCartAuthenticity=1
//-

000000000000000.A00
-//
[MonoCartData] NumberOfKeys=8
MCartType=UsedTIF
MCartYield=Standard
MCartInstallDate=1234051200
MCartID=591099491
MCartILevel=0
MCartSeqNumber=1
MCartTPages=6
MCartAuthenticity=5
//-

Install date changed. Level is zero as it was. Printed pages count was reset. Other fields I don't know. I haven't desoldered new eeprom to read it. I don't know where cartidge level is stored. Maybe in cartridge head in some sort of memory or blownable fuses which can be restored somehow or maybe on some lexmark website and drivers read info on every cartidge from there. I think this can be checked in one way or another, but I don't want to do it today.

That's all for now. Anyone with basic electronic skills can repeat this and thus prolong cartridge life for some time. I understand that what I've described is not convenient at all, but that's all I've got now.

Serial memory costed me about 0.8 usd and I've lost two half days of my life, but saved some money on cartridges and spent an interesting time discoverind my printer inside :-)

If anyone wants to dig further, I will be glad to follow discussion in this forum thread for some time.

08.02.2009


PS. YES, almost forgot, all files for the curious one's are here:
http://rapidshare.com
or if you prefer here:
http://www.fileshost.com/download.php?id=BD11AA521
by unknown on Feb 8, 2009 at 7:15am Add comment
Hello everybody. I read all of you. Very instructive.
To Peter Norton: Congratulations! You did it! I just read your files and put everything toghether.
As the chip has WP pin (Write Protect), it means that you can block it from being written! So, Anybody can cut the cabled wire from pin#7 and connect pin#7 to Vcc (pin#8) simple by soldering them togheder. If it is done after the first printed page (or immediately after the instalation of printer), that means you make the software "blind", it can not update the chip anymore. So it will be "Forever Young"! No "less ink" nor "cartridge empty", you may put ANY compatible cartridge, refiled or not, the printer will not update the chip!
The bad thing for me, is that I started to google for a solution, just after I run out of ink (not true, but this is what my printer display).

MihaiP - Anonymous
Hi Peter Norton
Just read your thread
Is there any way that in the lx_cats file we could keep changing the number of printed pages back to a low number to get more ink out of our cartridges? I know it doesnt solve the overall problem of refilling but it would save us a bit of money because we sould use the cartridge until it actually has ran out of ink (not when lexmark wants us to get a new cartridge). Does anyone know how many pages it'll print up to before it says its empty??
Thanks everyone for your dedication. - Anonymous
Dear Peter
Thank you for your wonderful work.
I found another printer with same chip.
Pls. post again the archive .
I found interesting think about that.
Thaks again
- unknown
Dear Peter
Thank you for your wonderful work.
I found another printer with same chip.
Pls. post again the archive .
I found interesting think about that.
Thaks again
- unknown
Dear Peter
Thank you for your wonderful work.
I found another printer with same chip.
Pls. post again the archive .
I found interesting think about that.
Thaks again
- unknown
Dear Peter
Thank you for your wonderful work.
I found another printer with same chip.
Pls. post again the archive .
I found interesting think about that.
Thaks again
- unknown
Hello!
i have one question... I can see in the instruction of AT45DB011B "reset methods". Can we do it this way? If yes - how i should do it step by step? Desolder is necessery?

And my another idea - maybe we could change some things in Lexmark software? some hack methods? :P

sorry for my English :(
by Anonymous on Feb 8, 2009 at 3:52pm Add comment
Thank You Peter Norton For Doing That. Finally someone is actually getting closer to solving the problem instead of complaining like little kids as 99\% of the people on this thread are doing.

If you look way earlier in the thread before people started to hijack it you will notice that, a poster by the name of "NE" proved that there is a chip inside the cartridge itself. It is located next to the printhead. I seemed to have missed it when I posted pictures of my cartridge teardown very early in the thread. Luckily he posted a picture,

Here is a link:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3092/2590622236_b0853f8fd5_b.jpg

Again I also disassembled the printer except mine was Lexmark Z1300. I also detected the 2kbyte chip and posted the datasheet earlier but unfortunately I do not have enough knowledge to reprogram the chips.

Thanks again for your posting. Since I have thrown away this printer I cannot help any more but I was wondering if maybe there was a way to find out how the software communicates with the printer and use that information to write a program to erase the data chip without opening the printer. Kind of like the Epson SSC Service utility.
by unknown on Feb 8, 2009 at 7:29pm Add comment
Is there any way to test chip in cartridge to find out what type it is? Maybe it's eeprom? It must contain serial number and it must be electronically programmable because printer stores number of printed pages in it.
by unknown on Feb 10, 2009 at 12:41pm Add comment
It's a wrong place for eeprom. I think there is a hardwired serial register with some blownable fuses connected to it, maybe 5 or six corresponding to this part of *.a?? files in Lx_cats:

-//
PCartInk75Rem=0
PCartInk50Rem=0
PCartInk25Rem=0
PCartInk17Rem=0
PCartInk8Rem=0
//-

As cartridge wears, printer blowns them. And again, I can't prove this. Someone with digital sampling oscilloscope or logic analizer and plenty of time is needed to check this out. But these guys usually don't play with cheap printer hardware hacking, IMHO :-)
- unknown
Maybe we should examine printers firmware? But first we need to know which processor or microcontroller is used on Lexmark printers. You sad that soldering empty eeprom made your printer work with used cartridges how long do you think it can last? Maybe we should simply change our eeproms and that is all?
by unknown on Feb 11, 2009 at 12:13pm Add comment
change eeprom... so solder is necessery anyway... i know that this is probable only way to solve our problem at this moment but this is very difficult :/ is any way to overwrite this memory without desolder? if yes... it will be amazing :) some program like for EPSON
by Anonymous on Feb 11, 2009 at 2:33pm Add comment
I think this works on a Z1300. I ran across this article when I did some research.


The low ink indication is triggered by hardware within the ink cartridge. The ink cartridges have unique hardware identification numbers assigned to them and when that number changes, the unit knows that a new ink cartridge has been installed and resets the ink counters however since the cartidge has already been recognized by the printer it must be manually reset.

Typically the printer remembers up to 2 ID numbers and on the 3rd cartridge it will disregard the 1st cartridge you inserted. So rotating cartridges is the best solution for resetting the printer.

Resetting in this manner requires three cartridges.
Label the top of each cartridge with a letter. As an example A B C.

1. "A" is in the printer (printer knows "A")
2. "A" is removed and replaced with "B" (printer knows "A" & "B")
3. "B" is removed and replaced with "C" (printer knows "B" & "C" & "A" is dropped from the list)
At this point though "A" has been in the printer, the print no longer remembers it or retains the information that it was there.

Even if you have cartridges that were repeatedly refilled and the print heads no longer work, they should be usable for resetting purposes.
by unknown on Feb 11, 2009 at 11:51pm Add comment
Thanks Jonathan Z Courson
Finally I can print with my 28 cart
but anyone know what should I do with the 29 cart?
by Anonymous on Feb 12, 2009 at 12:08am Add comment
Oh! Moreover, taping 28 will cause the printer uses color ink as black ink.My printout was not black but blue!
by Anonymous on Feb 12, 2009 at 12:28am Add comment
I have a Lexmark x2500 copier/scanner/printer with #29 cartridge. I refilled it and the printer would not print since it was saying the cartridge was empty. I found the file lxddcats.dl_ and deleted the file. Now my printer works with the refilled #29 cartridge only showing that there is no ink even though the cartridge is full.
by Anonymous on Feb 12, 2009 at 5:03am Add comment
in lexmark x4530 this file doesn't exist :/ One is similar "lxdicats.dll" but after delete it... printer still doesn't work...

any idea about #23? plz...
by Anonymous on Feb 12, 2009 at 7:02am Add comment
Hey Guys,
i found a way to disable the chip on the cartridge for lexmark x4530.
microwave the !!! empty !!! chartridge for about 20 sec and 600 watts. that takes care of it.it will fry the chip. do not microwave longer than 20 sec. or higher wattage it results in chartridge read error. i did it with a freshly refilled one and that was a bad idea, it was not a pretty picture.
by unknown on Feb 15, 2009 at 9:46am Add comment
I re read my post, and I thoght that is better to warn you before is too late. So:

#1. If you are not experimented, check with an ohmeter that you have really disconnected the pin #7 from the ground. If you fail to disconnect it, by soldering pin#7 to pin#8 you will put the Vcc to the GND (ground), distroying the Power Supply.
I didn't try it yet, I have to buy before another new cartridge.

#2. If you want to do it, do it BEFORE the printer start to warn you, or you have to live with the warnings!

#3. Moreover, if the printer is not working anymore, don't do it or you never use your printer again! (eh, you can, by re-making printer like it was: pin#7 at ground and separated by pin#8)

I just have an other ideea: It is possible to put a micro switch with 2 positions: the central pin of the switch (usually pin2) to the pin#7, one end (pin 1 of the switch) to pin#8 and the 3-rd one to the initial traject. This way, it is possible to revert anytime to original configuration, for changing the type of cartridges (like photocolor).

MihaiP
by Anonymous on Feb 20, 2009 at 10:38pm Add comment
Well, I forgot again to write what chip has to be modified: On the printer Lexmark 1320 (Peter's printer) it is U5. don't touch U6! Look in the Peter's file AT24C16B....png.
Another way to fool the printer may be to use more cartidges then the printer can store, so more than 6 cartridges for each type may start to overwrite the first one (look in the file *.A00 - all types are counted as data, data1... data5).
Anyway, I do not intend to buy another 6 cartridges to verify this. With 6 sales of each cartridge, for each printer sold in the world, the Lexmark company will gain much more than it deserve (so they may allow you to refill the first one). An ideea may be to borrow or to buy from a reffiling company 6 empty heads, or make an exchange with friends, or here, using this site... Use your imagination... That is the most probable mechanism that Lexmark use when recycling: it is practicaly impossible to send back to you your cartidge after refiling, so what they send to you will have another serial number... I bet that the chip on the head is only a static array chip, just to provide the serial number and type of cartridge. The count is done by the printer for each head, how many drops has to be printed, so will calculate the consuming of ink and store it in U5 chip. The recycling program will stop the recycled heads long before emptying for 2 reasons: to force you to buy another one sooner and to be sure that will remain enough ink to prevent the head drying till they return to company.

Good luck to everyone!
by Anonymous on Feb 20, 2009 at 11:21pm Add comment
Good idea, MihaiP. But it's anyway uncomfortable. Better find someone who can hack drivers or write small software kinda 'lexmark utility'. Maybe it's reasonable to write a letter to epson utility writers with all stuff discovered in this thread and ask them for help.
by unknown on Feb 21, 2009 at 1:39am Add comment
A. To Peter N. I already looked at drivers, it seems too complicated (for me) to make/change them. They have not only usual drivers but all management of a network printer. If you do, you may use them also to modify the information in the Eprom because all hardware is in the printer, so you don't need anything else to read or write the chip. Till now, the simpliest method to block modifying the info was to cut/solder the pin WP.
A. To Duki: For Z1320 it seems that there is no control to see if the info was written or not to eprom. The WP action is inside the chip with no feedback to outside (look at the block diagramm). Anyway, when write, the output lines is suspended few moments regardless of WP and when write is finished, they are available again, responding normaly to a read command. This will be done, regardless of WP. So, they will show the info unmodified without any knowledge of the controller (I think). About your flash memory, I know nothing, but is good that you tried. Any try is a step forward to our goal.

To all: For Z 1320 and Z 1420 series it seems that covering the head chip (making it stop responding) is verified by the controller. It is normal to reject a head who is not recognized, beacause of the recycling programm. They could not alloud to use the head more than is programmed, else all their programm may be compromised. So, I think that for all printers contained in this programm, taping contacts will have no issue. - MihaiP
WELL DONE! :)
it must be something in drivers... so I think Peter Norton has 100\% right ;) Do you have any contact with epson utility writers? I guess thousends people count on that it will be work!
by Anonymous on Feb 21, 2009 at 2:40am Add comment
http://www.ssclg.info

this is topic from EPSON utiity forum... this post was written Sep 7, 2003 so maybe this is the highest time to start work on it :)
by Anonymous on Feb 21, 2009 at 2:50am Add comment
I thought about reconnecting write protection pin but what if microcontroler waits for memory to send response, writhing failed or succeeded... Anyway I'll try it.
by unknown on Feb 21, 2009 at 7:58am Add comment
I tried using write protect pin on my Lexmark 2650. Instead of eeprom 2650 uses flash memory, 25X80 with SPI interface. I used wp pin but printer gone crazy, strange errors appeared etc... :( So that idea failed... I'll try to read 25X80 chip, find cartridge serial and change it but it is to complicated.
by unknown on Feb 21, 2009 at 2:06pm Add comment
this works for the lexmark black cartridge 36:
tape the bottom both outside contacts and it prints.

can't figure out the lexmark color 37 yet.
by flybuddy on Feb 23, 2009 at 9:32am Add comment
flybuddy, I put tape on the "bottom outside contacts" on the black 36 but it still asks for me to replace the color 37. I tried to choose "print in black and white" on the preferences menu but it wont let me. What did you do? - sgittpollok
JUST TO CLARIFY!!!
Taping your black ink cartridge will only use up your color cartridge!!!! In most scenarios that is...
So basically, TAPING WON'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM, it'll just cover it up and make more problems later!

And is there any info on the X5495??
I'm really interested in the research people like Peter N are putting in, but i don't know how i would go about doing that on my printer. I just dont know enough.. Even though its a piece of dogs fecal matter (aka $41T), Im a bit too scared of breaking it somehow and not even being able to sell it off.

Good luck!!!

by unknown on Feb 24, 2009 at 9:30pm Add comment
anyone figure it out how to reset the chips
maybe if we had the soft from a new printer and overwrite the soft inside the printer it will recognize the cartridges as new
what do you think?
by Anonymous on Feb 26, 2009 at 11:06am Add comment
Wow!! Almost 2 years you have been working at this! And I thought two days was rough!! The Black 34 I refilled (2500 series or X2500) SEEMS to be working, I just thought I'd share that I was so excited to find all this valuable research, and anxious to try it!I did not try the tape, but changed the settings in the printers properties, and found and deleted the lx_cats file(s) unplugged, removed, rebooted, replaced, powered up and.... GRRRR ! Still just Black default printing!
I can't solder or even see good enough to know where to put the tape. If I tried that, do you think it will actually work??? The ideas I thought would, didn't. I commend you for keeping at finding a solution! I have a LOT of ink. It just burns my toast that I may not be able to use it! Be Blessed!! BG
by Wow!! on Feb 26, 2009 at 7:26pm Add comment
Wow!! Almost 2 years you have been working at this! And I thought two days was rough!! The Black 34 I refilled (2500 series or X2500) SEEMS to be working, I just thought I'd share that I was so excited to find all this valuable research, and anxious to try it!I did not try the tape, but changed the settings in the printers properties, and found and deleted the lx_cats file(s) unplugged, removed, rebooted, replaced, powered up and.... GRRRR ! Still just Black default printing!
I can't solder or even see good enough to know where to put the tape. If I tried that, do you think it will actually work??? The ideas I thought would, didn't. I commend you for keeping at finding a solution! I have a LOT of ink. It just burns my toast that I may not be able to use it! Be Blessed!! BG
by Wow!! on Feb 26, 2009 at 7:29pm Add comment
Lex x5495, blk 24. I tried the tape method a few times, got message from lex program that I need to install cartridge to print I think all terminals need to be accounted for to not get some kind of error message. I even picked apart executable and dll files, and still cant find an override. Ive never came across a project I couldnt overcome, and im on the virge to purchasing the "A" cartiridge. It looks like Lex got the upper hand on most of us. - Anonymous
I have Z2300. I bought the 14A and the 15A. I refilled both and cant get printer to recognize them. I tried tapeing bottom roe of contacts. Still no luck.
by screwed by lex on Feb 28, 2009 at 2:44pm Add comment
I have Z2300. I bought the 14A and the 15A. I refilled both and cant get printer to recognize them. I tried tapeing bottom roe of contacts. Still no luck.
by screwed by lex on Feb 28, 2009 at 2:49pm Add comment
So just to make sure I understand, what is the way to reset the Lexmark 28? Taping the bottom contacts or bottom left or nothing works? Thanks again. - Anonymous
Stupid printer, I've buyed a z845 a few days ago for just 34 bucks. As the ink levels dropped like hell I started searching for replacements just to find out that only the black cartridge (28) was about 24$. I'm not going to spend more time & money with this shitty company. Next stop to the shop will be for a brand new Canon. I advise you to do the same !
by unknown on Mar 2, 2009 at 10:53am Add comment
well i know im stuffed now after reading igot the x5490 all in one
new 2 months ago i got it for the fax darn thing unreliable 3 times i could not recive important fax from work
printed off 33 pages black ink is gone it takes the 28&29 cart
i refilled them tells me its the wrong ink lol n ink level still zero, i tryed tapeing the contacts 1 by one till i tryed all combonations still zero tryed to turn it off leave it unplugged
still no luck guess ill have to buy new cartridges n try the rotating thing eventually im in germany and the cartridges cost 28 euro which is not a bad price still the printer cost 120 euro
so buy 4 inks may as well buy new printer good luck all lets hope we find a solution soon

peter the rock
by Anonymous on Mar 2, 2009 at 2:08pm Add comment
I, too, got stuck with the Z1300 29 color cartridge when I bought this printer. I just broke down and bought the refillable 29A color cartridge through another outlet, not Lexmark. I had already bought the refill kit, so w/o the 29A, I'd have had 2 useless printer accessories. Live and learn. I also filed a complaint against Lexmark with my state's attorney general office for not making the cartridge details available on the package or at point of purchase.
by unknown on Mar 5, 2009 at 12:40pm Add comment
Printerinkinmyblood- When you run the 29A empty and refill it your printer may not reconize it because the chip has told the printer that the cart has been empty. Post your results when you use that cart up (we wont have to wait long).
by screwed by lex on Mar 5, 2009 at 2:54pm Add comment
OK! Have read comments on refilling Lexmark Cartridges - My question is: How can You change the individual serial# on a "empty" cartridge, (since the printer seems to remember the cartridges serial#)? I Hope this will solve the problem?
by Anonymous on Mar 6, 2009 at 12:13am Add comment
Hello again! Just found out this interesting info about Lexmark protecting it´s own Cartridges. See and read the link: www.techsavvyonline.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=27
So after reading this, I think the only solution will bee to remove all this files from the Computer you are using and then installing your Printer again and then trying to use "refilled" ink Cartridges on Your Printer ...
I don´t know if a previous mentioned change of serial# on the Cartridge will solve the "problem" since Lexmark seems to have all serial# stored?
OK I hope someone gets some help from this? Please let us know on this forum. Thank´s
by Anonymous on Mar 6, 2009 at 3:00am Add comment
screwed by Lex: acoording to the Lexmark website, the 29A is manufactured without the chip and refillable. They also sell it there, at a premium...$29.00 plus shipping, for the Z1300, less for other models. The Z1300 must be a big money maker for them. I found it for $21.00 elsewhere. It will be interesting, but what I may have to do is add ink way before it's even close to being empty. I still have the kit I bought and enough to nurse it along and avoid the possibility of it being recognized as empty. I'll need to pay attention, for sure. Will also re-post--if I get daring, let it run dry, refill and re-install and attempt to use--with the results, good or bad.
by unknown on Mar 6, 2009 at 6:55am Add comment
Hi, Seems Lexmark has kicked all of us between the big toes. There hasn't been any simple solutions, so therefore the best thing to do would be to protest by sending the printers back to Lexmark. Just imagine the pile of rubbish they will have to dispose of.... Jim
by unknown on Mar 6, 2009 at 7:25am Add comment
Hi, Seems Lexmark has kicked all of us between the big toes. There hasn't been any simple solutions, so therefore the best thing to do would be to protest by sending the printers back to Lexmark. Just imagine the pile of rubbish they will have to dispose of.... Jim
by unknown on Mar 6, 2009 at 7:30am Add comment
It seems to me that whatever is going on with the "Chip" on the cartridge must somehow go to the Software on the computer. Doesn't it seem viable then that the Registry, as usual, holds the key? There has to be something that keeps relaying what is on the chip to the software. Maybe instead of "Blinding the Chip" we should be looking at "Hacking the Registry". I am devoting my entire weekend to this as I hate paying for something because I am told that I have to.
by Shades64 on Mar 6, 2009 at 7:48am Add comment
Shades64: If there was so simple... Do you believe that Lexmark might allow you to move and use an empty printer (cartridge) to a new computer... and the computer to see it like full? Nobody will do that! More of that, is not functional for a normal user (who buy only new cartridges).
Others... The truth have to be in between: the cart have to identify itself, maybe to count the drops; the printer have to recognise the cart and maybe to count the drops. So they stop you to move the cart on another printer, and install it like "new" (full). Also prevent the companies with more printers and who frecvently changes the carts to loose the track of them and to run accidentaly out of ink. Before looking what they did to stop us to refill, is good to see also what they had to do to prevent running out of ink by mistake. So, for profesional printers I think they have to count on each cart the drops of ink. For one-user easy duty printer, to be cheapy, this function may be done by only one chip form printer, and the cart may have only some dumb chip for ID purpose. This is functional as long as you have not 2 printers for the same cart. We may find the answer if somebody can try to put an almost empty cart on another printer (to a friend maybe??). It might be possible to work on L 1320 or 1420 series (network-ready, low duty printer - one per family is enough).
I am willing to try it if there is someone with an 1320/1420 printer available in Montreal Area. - MihaiP
Agh.. there still are no answers

PS: Z1320
by unknown on Mar 8, 2009 at 9:38pm Add comment
Well unable to find anything in the registry that would allow refilling of 28 and 29. Just as a note... on Saturday, my wife and I were at the local Wal-mart and they had a Lexmark X2650 for sale, $37.97. I looked for the 28A and 29A and they were sold as a set for $47.97. The Landfills are going to be filled with Lexmark Printers.
by Shades64 on Mar 9, 2009 at 7:25am Add comment
I talked to a lexmark tech. After wasting a lot of my time trying to convince me to always buy new carts he said that my refill ink was not compatable with the 14A. He also said that the 14A ink was different than all other lexmark ink. The ink I used did work for my other lexmark printer carts (Z25 and others)and was told that is is compatable(by ink supplier). I will wait till my other 14A is empty then take it to Cartridge World and have them fill it. I'll post results when I that happens.
by screwed by lex on Mar 9, 2009 at 8:55am Add comment
The ink levels are recorded in the cartridge chipset, i just put another 2 cartridges in my z845 and lexmark solution center detected the real ink levels, one was empty and the other one was at quarter.

I think the only ways around are: a chipset resetter or a hacked driver version.
by unknown on Mar 9, 2009 at 10:30am Add comment
so. anyone got any suggestions for a new printer. i'm dumping the lexmark... want one that is refillable, and preferably wifi...
any suggestions? thx
by flybuddy on Mar 9, 2009 at 11:01am Add comment
That will not work. I've tried similar thing earlier and described in this thread. Once empty 34/35 cartridge is detected as empty on a printer that doesn't remember that cartridge. I doubt there is an easy solution.
by unknown on Mar 9, 2009 at 11:07pm Add comment
I have a X4550 which uses 34/35 cartridges. Some re-manufactured cartridges work but the ink levels always show low. Other ones do not work as you get the "Right Cartridge Incorrect" message etc notably ones made by "Green Tech". The ones that work OK are made by http://www.krystalinkz.co.uk/lexmark.html and there are possibly other re-manufacturers in other countries whose products work, I don't know.

It IS therefore possible to fit/replace/reprogram the chip inside the carts as this particular manufacturer has proven. For some reason though the ink levels are not reset, which leads me to suspect the cartridge type may be held in a ROM type device or just links and the levels/memory some type of EPROM or fusible link device. The Type would not need reset on re-manufacture but it would cost money to replace the other chip and probably because its integrated with the wiring to the integral print heads its deemed too expensive to be worth changing, so they probably just disable it altogether.

On the taping thing, the pins associated with the chip are probably the group of 10 pins in the middle, ie holding the cart in your hand with the head pointing down and the copper contacts facing you there are 4 distinct vertical "columns" (not counting the 2 at the middle top) of contacts and I am talking about the inner most 2 vertical columns of 5 contacts each. Exactly what the function of each contact is not know to me. Covering them all just begets the "Wrong Cartridge" message.

Personally its not too much of an issue because if I buy genuien Lexmark carts the cost can be offset against some expenses in our case, but I know thats not everyone's situation and I wish there were a simple solution.

I think for any real solution to this the firmware within the printer would need modified and that would require knowing more details about the chips within, but would need customisation for the various different models. The sort of people to ask about that are the sort of people who write mods for mobile phones and re-flash them etc.

I would like to thank the posters who suggested various things like hammers and microwave it and kill it before it spreads, they had me in stitches!

I had previously worked in an IT Dept and had to service HP Laserjets, I thought that was bad for the blood pressure but the Lexmark Ink thing just takes the biscuit for being really annoying.

Worse thing is I only got the Lexmark because the Brother one I ordered was out of stock, wish I had waited.

C+G
by cowandgate on Mar 10, 2009 at 4:38am Add comment
I purchased a Lexmark X5070 which uses the #28 & #29 cartridge. The black #28 cartridge lasted less than 2 weeks. Replace it with a #28A which is suppose to be refillable. My question is will I be able to refill it and reset what is necessary are will I have to send it to some professional company to be refilled
by bulldogman12 on Mar 13, 2009 at 10:35am Add comment
From reply #152

"I refilled the 28A black cartridge and it still read as almost empty"

Seems you may have problems.

C+G
by cowandgate on Mar 13, 2009 at 11:16pm Add comment
I recently bought a Lexmark X 4690 and it came with the 4 & 5 cartridges. I love it, great price and the WiFi is fantastic! I print my 150 pages or so that I get out of the included Lexmark 4 black cartridge and run out of ink. Not to worry, I drill a hole and refill it. As the thread points out,it doesn't work!

Still not to worry, I go on-line and check for a refillable cartridge or a chip resetter. No chip resetter but I can buy a "refillable" 4A cartridge from (and only from) The Lexmark Store.

I recently retired so I have a little time and as someone mentioned, perhaps it's time to explore the Magnuson-Moss Warrenty Act to see if we can put a stop (or at least slow down)
Lexmark in their scam.

Lexmark has already lost their latest lawsuit trying to protect their scam, Lexmark v. Static Control, and I have created an email account to collect email addresses of interested people:

[email protected]

My own story has a "happy" ending. After about 3 hours of talking to different Lexmark offices and telling them I wanted my money back so I could buy a Canon, I was told that they, Lexmark, wanted to send me a 4A and a 5A for my printer. We'll see what happens and once the 4A & 5A run out of ink, I'll see if you can actually refill them and report back.

by larryseale on Mar 24, 2009 at 10:28am Add comment
I finally realized that the answer was staring me right in the face. I think I have seen the solution maybe two or three times in this thread. After sending e-mail to lexmark and getting no response, I threw away the Plastic doorstop and went to best buy. They were selling the Canon MX700 for 79.99, so I bought one. If the same thing happens with the canon, I will go back to pen and paper (it's cheaper to buy pen refill).
by unknown on Mar 24, 2009 at 11:05am Add comment
I am able to keep the 28A "topped off". I had nothing to lose when pages started getting sketchy print, low ink message, etc. I still get the "low ink" signal, but it works fine. Peel off the label, drill the obvious round indentation, squirt in some ink. Figure I got some extra life and plan to just watch print quality to to again. I have the 34 & 35 for backup.

I just wish I could shut off the print alignment thing...seems to burn up a lot of ink every time you move a cartridge.
by drewsandberg on Mar 25, 2009 at 3:37am Add comment
I tried the same thing as soon as I got the low ink warning. a few more pages and poof! The evil little monster (X 4690) now just sits there and tells me "You must order a Genuine Lexmark Cartridge in order to print" I'm actually surprised they didn't also disable the scanner. That reminds me, I scan a number of documents and create .pdf files. The Lexmark software works well but creates "HUGH" .pdf files, > 1MB per page. I'm new to the document game, I've recently "retired", and my word processor, Open Office, creates a .pdf document at about 80KB per page (no included images). I understand there is a difference in scanned versus word processor files but 10X + seems excessive. Anyway to create smaller .pdf files from scanned images? - larryseale
So is that basically the difference between the "A" suffix and the not "A" ? The ones with "A" eg 28A can be refilled but the 28 (for instance) cannot because they have a link/prom that gets blown to signify they need sent back etc?

Just off topic, the scanned images are scanning to jpg or other format which is embedded in the pdf. I believe you can adjust the scan resolution in dpi on the LCD front panel, you can on the X4550 anyway, which when set lower, would give a more grainy image but it should be smaller in bytes. If the scanned images are of text then you may be able to get OCR software to convert it to Word document. I have never been a fan of OCR, I find its tedious proof reading every word when there are hundreds of pages (maybe OK for one or two pages at a time though).

c+g
by cowandgate on Mar 25, 2009 at 8:04am Add comment
That's my understanding except I don't think anything gets "blown", it just disables the printer based on the cartridge serial number and the scheme of rotating multiple cartridges seems to work for some people. As I see it, the A's are a poor attempt to circumvent Magnuson-Moss and in theory, at least, are refillable and usuable even if the ink level shows incorrectly. I'll let everyone know after I try it.

Thanks for the (off topic) info on scans. I'll try it.
by larryseale on Mar 25, 2009 at 9:34am Add comment
I still think there may be something behind blocking some of the contacts on the cart. When I first installed my black 14 cart, it showed a "?" for the ink level. something was confusing it so that it didnt know where the level was. I've since removed it and the color 15 cart hoping i'd "reset" the settings, after a refill but now it does recognize the ink level.

This happened while trying to refill my color 15 cart. I talked to an online tech and he said that once a "low in level" chip gets set off, it can not be reset and you must buy a new cart. I'm hoping if i just refill it periodically before that chip initially gets set off, it will just maintain a higher level of ink. i'm headed to buy a new color cart now, and will keep you all posted on the success of my "topping off" strategy.

None the less, this is all such a BS scam for sure!
by unknown on Mar 26, 2009 at 9:32pm Add comment
Lexmark sent me a new (UPS overnight) 4A & 5A for my X4690. The 4A and 4 are identical in appearance & contacts and the new 4A is labeled "Intended for single use only". The Lexmark Store clearly states that the 4A is not a part of the Lexmark Cartridge Return Program and may be refilled by a third party. I'll keep it topped off and see if it disables itself after a certain number of pages, drops, characters, etc. - Anonymous
The number of ink droplets is counted in the software and the amount of ink is calculated from that then the printer must be writing an ink level back to the cartridge as moving it to another printer only indicates the same levels.

I would like to try and find out what chip is on/in the cartridge so that we can determine what type and what data is held in it with a view to preventing it being written etc.



by cowandgate on Mar 27, 2009 at 11:14am Add comment
My quess is that I'll have the same problem when the 4A gets low. Guess I'll have to start early and get Lexmark to send me new carts before they run out this time because there doesn't appear to be a third party refiller at the present time. I suspect Lexmark considers the chip a closely guarded secret and will not divulge how to reset the chip even on the 4A (which is likely indentical to the 4 except for the label).
by larryseale on Mar 27, 2009 at 11:14am Add comment
"there doesn't appear to be a third party refiller at the present time"

I have had refilled carts (34 and 35) with the levels disabled (reads low all the time) and also identified by printer as non genuine.

That was those manufactured by

http://www.krystalinkz.co.uk/lexmark.html

Maybe they could supply a list if retailers who stock their stuff?

Contact details


Tel : +44 (0)116 266 4363 / +44 (0)116 266 6499
Fax : +44 (0)116 266 9505
E-Mail : [email protected]

c+g
by cowandgate on Mar 27, 2009 at 11:23am Add comment
Sorry, forgot to point out that the Lexmark equivalent 31 carts made by these people are usable

http://www.gtrecycling.com/

The 34 and 35 by them were not usable, you get the "Incorrect Cartridge" or "Right Cartridge Incorrect" message on the LCD.

The Photo cart 31 is usuable (in my X4550) though and is about £10 GBP to buy retail.

Its listed as suitable for

P4350
P6250
P6350
P910
P915
X3330
X3350
X5250
X5260
X5270
X6300
X7170
X7350
X8350
Z810
Z815
Z816

Contact

Address:

GreenTech International Limited
Unit 3
Fengate Trade Park
Fengate
Peterborough
PE1 5XA

Telephone:
+44(0)1733 552121
Fax:
+44(0)1733 552122

Email:
[email protected]

Likewise it may be they supply retailers in other countries, its worth asking.

c+g
by cowandgate on Mar 27, 2009 at 11:38am Add comment
Please excuse if already posted. I too found out the hard way, you have to buy Cartridge 14A & 15A those can be refilled, or so I found through Google searches, have not tried yet, got'em, but waiting for the #14 to run out, the #15 is empty, but get tired of running into the other room and clicking "complete-a-print" for every print job.

But now I have a question, it appears that Lexmark uses the color eventhough ur printing in B/W...What I would like to know is how do I bypass complete-a-print and make it permanent until I'm ready to print in Colour...

Best...
by unknown on Mar 29, 2009 at 10:28am Add comment
Please excuse if already posted. I too found out the hard way, you have to buy Cartridge 14A & 15A those can be refilled, or so I found through Google searches, have not tried yet, got'em, but waiting for the #14 to run out, the #15 is empty, but get tired of running into the other room and clicking "complete-a-print" for every print job.

But now I have a question, it appears that Lexmark uses the color eventhough ur printing in B/W...What I would like to know is how do I bypass complete-a-print and make it permanent until I'm ready to print in Colour...

Best...
by unknown on Mar 29, 2009 at 10:35am Add comment
I couldn't find a way to disable the "complete print" with the color cart on my X4690 when the black cart was empty. By third party, I mean me. I'll take the hammer and dump advice offered by some earlier posts before I'll give Lexmark another penny.

Millions for defense but not a single cent for tribute!

I am still looking for others who might be interested in pursuing a class action against Lexmark (and other printer makers).

Emails to [email protected]

If I can get any support, I'll start contacting lawyers.
by larryseale on Mar 29, 2009 at 11:07am Add comment
Larry, Thanks for your quick response!!! It was really a Major Rip-Off; Saw the Printer at Sam's Club for $25...How could I go wrong...Opps, I found that out the hard way... :-(

As a retired System Engineering Director of some 35+ years, let me try and find a way to skin this cat :-)

More...Later... - Anonymous
I also "retired" after about 35 years and don't know how I found time to work :-)

If you haven't read my earlier posts, I called Lexmark as soon as I realized what was going on. I started out "I love the printer (great WiFi, stays connected even though D-Link will occasionally drop) but I want my money back so I can buy a Canon".

Eventually Lexmark insisted on over-nighting me a new 4A & 5A cart. It took me about 3 hours on the phone but it was a battle I picked and believe was worth fighting. If I can't refill the 4A & 5A, I'll start all over again.

I am convinced that the whole "Cartridge Return" scam is a violation of Magnuson-Moss and I think that + individuals calling is the way to fight it. I set up the mma (Magnuson-Moss Act).lexmark email account and would welcome a "co-sponsor"
by larryseale on Mar 29, 2009 at 1:02pm Add comment
Thanks for the tip on Cannon..Did you ever get a chance to check out the 14 & 15 "A" carts.?

Please keep me posted on this scam, otherwise it's a cheap and decent printer. IMHO...


I'll also check out "Magnuson-Moss"...

Have a Great Week going forward, My Best to You and Yours!!!

BCNU,

Best Regards...Rudi
by unknown on Mar 29, 2009 at 2:13pm Add comment
I am told the ones sold by these

http://stores.ebay.co.uk

are the ones that can be used in the above printers, they just indicate low ink but are recognised by the printer.

c+g
by cowandgate on Mar 30, 2009 at 12:49pm Add comment
From this thread, I think both the printer and the cartridge have memory. Otherwise, how could an empty cartridge still read empty in a second printer? Assuming there's no internet access of course, and I certainly see no need for my print driver to access internet so I block it. The memory chip in the cartridge holds serial number and records ink level, and the memory chip in the printer copies both. So we could disable write access to the EEPROM in the printer, but the cartridge itself will still empty and then quit. The printer may not remember it, but it would be like putting an empty cartridge into a new printer: still no good.

My Lexmark is x3480 and so far I've had no rejections filling two #2 cartridges. I get warnings of 'low ink' and 'purchase a new Lexmark' past which I click continue. However both quit blue at the same moment. However this is one of those cheap printers that only uses colour to print black, so it's always blue that quits first. It faded out over a page. I refill both and both fail to recover. It seemed a bit odd that both would fail at the same time, and why put a chip in the cartridge if not to prevent refills? Clearly the hardware is sold loss leader. After reading this I thought both had hit their refill limit.

But at the same time it also seemed odd that red/yellow still printed, plus I would expect a hardware fault in the blue drivers to be more sudden. I gambled on a new cartridge, and all works. However, there was no Lexmark original so I bought the Tescos version, which turned out to be a refill (same price!) where Tesco say they use the original case and flexi-circuit, and visually this seems true. Yet the nags are gone and the ink level is full again.

One last point: I tried disabling advanced print features from control panel as someone suggested and then struggled to get them back. Double sided or N-up for example. Windows says they're there (have restarted) but none work. Here's some info:
http://www.steves-digicams.com/techcorner/august_2006.html
As a result of that page I found the solution: on the Advanced tab set Print Processor data type to LEMF. Windows does not need to be restarted.

Conclusion:
1) probably #2 cartridge can be refilled till it fails,
2) Tescos can chip them
3) don't disable advance features

Incidentally, I'll be re-filling the dead cartridge with black in the magenta bucket, for documents.
by unknown on Mar 31, 2009 at 2:30pm Add comment
Unfortunately Tesco do not list any replacement/compatible carts for X4550

http://direct.tesco.com/p/inc/specials/ink.asp

neither do I see the X3480 listed only X3470

maybe you could let us know which Tesco cartridges worked in your X3480, maybe they would work in others?

c+g



by cowandgate on Mar 31, 2009 at 6:29pm Add comment
Lexmark number 2. That fits x3480 and probably others. It did not seem to print as many pages as I'd like, warning of low after about 40. The old cartridges filled with black work OK, but I'm currently changing font to yellow to use up the ink after blue n red ran low.
by unknown on Apr 1, 2009 at 5:02pm Add comment
I HAVE FIXXED THE PROBLEM WITH THE LEXMARK Z1300 all ya need to do is buy the number 34 black cartridge and you will be able to refill it it prints but doesn`t recognize cart.Finally an Answer! I`am so smart I amaze myself some times..Also the canon printer wally mart sells for 30 bucks is just like the lexmark carts beware getting stuck with same problem different brand name..Peace and Happy printing..Ps the chips in the cartridge! :)
by Anonymous on Apr 1, 2009 at 8:43pm Add comment
What? You said "all ya need to is buy the number 34 black cartridge and you will be able to refill it"

What do you mean? How?

Where in the cart is the chip? - unknown
ok, i admit it...i gave up. after numerous attempts to refill and use different cartridges, sometimes it would work and use the ink sometimes it wouldn't, sometimes it would only print in black and sometimes it would print black but with the color cartridge...and all the time it was frustrating. So, I took it to staples, bought an HP and staples paid me $50 for the recycled (trashed) printer. I figure if I got $50 out of it, I was doing pretty darn well.
by flybuddy on Apr 1, 2009 at 9:08pm Add comment
Wonder if Staples do the same deal in the UK?

c+g
by cowandgate on Apr 2, 2009 at 2:22am Add comment
well, actually, i don't know what i did. i tried the tape method, and it printed in black (but using the color cartridge, so it wasn't actually using the black refilled ink. Then i bought a 37A and a photo 36 cartridge (not part of the lexmark program) to try those. then after switching cartridges many times, the refilled 36 began to work... for awhile. then i thought, hey why not refill this 37A before it gets empty. but after i did, the printer wouldn't recognize it. so... i am sorry, i got it to work and limped along for a few weeks, but was getting spotty printing results and decided i didn't have more time (or $) to fool with it.
by flybuddy on Apr 2, 2009 at 9:47am Add comment
ebuyer have Z1380 at £9.99 at the mo

uses No 2 carts or No 31

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/153058

says it comes with colour ink

c+g
by cowandgate on Apr 3, 2009 at 12:44am Add comment
Its only one way- reset the chip
look at youtube chip resetting by special tool
or like me find batterie inside the printer
and erase the memory by realise it

by unknown on Apr 6, 2009 at 4:39pm Add comment
This is chip resetting for HP maybe its only way for lexmark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVR2dHebmTI
by unknown on Apr 6, 2009 at 4:51pm Add comment
If you read the posts above you will realise that a CMOS chip and battery are not used in the Lexmark printers involved.

c+g
by cowandgate on Apr 6, 2009 at 7:24pm Add comment
So after a few weeks of not printing (2 days of being unplugged) my black cartridge began printing again for my Lexmark z1380.

Still with the message that my cartridge is out of ink.

I will let you know how long it will print for. Maybe it is tempting me....
by unknown on Apr 8, 2009 at 9:46pm Add comment
A thought for a possible "solution"

1) Find type and spec for cartridge chip etc

2) Design circuit that will connect to modified empty cart

3) Modified empty cart is used to "push" "new" serial numbers into system **

4) Once 5 or 6 or whatever number are required have been "pushed" into the printer then old, refilled cart can by used

** I envisage something like DIP switches to set a fresh, random, serial number.

Comments please on if this might work.

It still does not address the ink level indicator problem.

c+g
by cowandgate on Apr 8, 2009 at 11:37pm Add comment
So just to follow-up to my post above. My original black ink still is showing as empty but but still prints after refilling. It was dead for a month or so and then came alive. A miracle? I am not sure but regardless it works again.

I tried tinkering with it in everyway possible with no effect. The one thing that may have possibly worked was playing with the advanced functions as noted by an anonymous poster above. They state,

"Go to 'control panel'. - select 'printers & faxes' - right click the printer - select 'properties' - select the 'advanced' tab - uncheck any checked boxes on the bottom part of the screen (first up is 'hold mismatched documents), that one & the 3 others under MUST BE UNCHECKED to work - then check 'print directly to the printer' option."

I don't know if I followed these instructions directly but I did something saved changes then resorted back to the original settings. I suspect this may have fooled the printer.

End result... a refilled original cartridge works again.

John
by unknown on Apr 10, 2009 at 7:25pm Add comment
I don't think its a "miracle", in the intervening month you probably used other cartridges in the same printer, which would have cleared the serial number for your old cart. Thats why it works now, the printer has no memory of it. Hence the proposal for a modified cart to use to perform such "miracles" lol.

c+g
by cowandgate on Apr 10, 2009 at 10:33pm Add comment
Great effort guys. But perhaps the answer is in the print driver? I'm assuming that if the print driver was hacked to ignor the issues of forcing us to buy from Lexmark and prevent refilling then our problems would be solved. However, I've searched the web quite a bit and found no hacked drivers. I'm assuming this hack would also remove the spyware and that the hacker would not install his own malware. So this solution may be risky.
by unknown on Apr 11, 2009 at 7:51am Add comment
cowandgate - never bought a new cartridge or replaced it. I am fairly certain that changing the printer settings did something. Maybe reset one of the chips or fooled the driver. Who knows... I still have the annoying "empty printer cartridge" signal evertime I print but I can live with this.

Until such a time as a hacked driver comes about, I think this is the best solution. It is a great printer for the $20 I spent on it.

John
by Anonymous on Apr 11, 2009 at 9:56am Add comment
The software (and the chip that stores the serials/ink levels) is in the firmware in the printer. The ink levels and the serial are also in the ink cartridge. It would require a firmware re-flash (if its a flash type chip in the printers and we don't know they are all the same) for each model of printer.

On balance I prefer the hacked empty cart to the printer firmware hack as the cart will fit many different models whereas the firmware would need constant maintenance, eg different models.

If someone could find a substitute for the chip they use in the carts, or more to the point find out more about the carts electrical spec, that would help.

C'mon, there must be more than one pissed off ex-Lexmark techie that knows the answer or how to find the answer?

c+g
by cowandgate on Apr 11, 2009 at 12:11pm Add comment
I think the differing reports on here are sometimes due to the different lexmark printers involved. The x3480 I have that uses Lexmark 2 cartridges does not seem to have rejected any refilled cartridges. I was just given a Lexmark 1270 and it came with a colour Tescos cartridge and black Asda one. On installing the software from CD a window pops up asking what cartridges are installed and whether I have printed with them before, with suggestions of 26 colour at low ink (option of 27) plus 16 black at low ink (options 17 or no cartridge). Since 26 is the full ink cartridge I selected this, and with the intent of refilling I told the software it was new. The fill meter jumped to full. Same with black, selected 16 and told the machine it was new. Then when it's all installed, the lexmark centre reports the ink as full. I refilled the colour because it was empty and dried, and used the printer till the black (or should I say brown) ran out, then refilled that too. After both cases of removing and replacing the cartridge, the Lexmark software again asked what the state of the cartridge was.

So it seems the All in One software for 1200 series can reset its own cartridges. Thinking about it we always knew the printer could re-write the Flash/EEPROM since that's how it counts ink down. But the ability to re-write up raises an interesting possibility of a software hack to get the machine to reset cartridges, maybe even on other Lexmark series. Or something I would try if I needed to: remove all traces of All in One (inc. registry and left files) then re-install with the refilled cartridges fitted.

Unfortunately there's no version number on the software or in help. This is the CD that came with the printer. It's different from the 3480 software in some small areas, such as no ability to turn off the printed instructions for doubled sided printing.
by unknown on Apr 13, 2009 at 1:55am Add comment

My Lexmark is x4850 using #41 and #42 cartridges. After refilling for the first time the black cartridge (#42) and printing maybe five or six pages, I came up against the standard message "black cartridge replacement required" while the printing process was stopped.
This happened with my PC.

I then saved my file on a key and decided to try again with my Macbook, on which runs OS X leopard.

It perfectly worked. I have done it several times since and have had no difficulty to print.

I admit that buying a Mac certainly isn't the cheapest and cleverest way to solve the problem but I think this successful experience can bring some other ideas to locate the source of rejection.

voilà (sorry for my english)

the frenchpostman

by frenchpostman on Apr 16, 2009 at 6:03am Add comment
So how does the Mac know when its empty? You saying the same printer does not detect the same empty/refilled cartridges when connected to a MAc?


c+g
by cowandgate on Apr 16, 2009 at 8:00am Add comment

I will see what happens when one of the cartridges will be empty again. So far the black one is almost full and the color one is half full. There is no automatic indication that appear on my Mac or on the printer before or during the printing. However the ink level can be indicated when clicking on the maintenance pane at the "ink level" option.

It may be possible that the printer has only been using the color cartridge to print since the refilled black cartridge was replaced. Working on the Mac has enabled to continue to print my files (e-mails + word documents) while it was not permitted when launching the same job from the PC.

I will let you know what happens when the colour cartridge will be empty.
by frenchpostman on Apr 16, 2009 at 1:17pm Add comment
lexmark suck man. i've had this printer and i absolutely hate it. DIE.
by Anonymous on Apr 17, 2009 at 10:26am Add comment
"lexmark suck man"

2nd'd !


....I feel a change of printer is imminent....

c+g

by cowandgate on Apr 17, 2009 at 2:01pm Add comment
Hey!
FORGET THIS SUCKER GO TO WALMART,FUTURESHOP AND BY HP C4480 FOR 70$ THIS 75,74 CATRIDGES.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5NNW90T5Yg
75,74 EASY TO REFILL
by unknown on Apr 18, 2009 at 3:35pm Add comment
Forget!
Go to Walmart buy HP C4480 for 70$
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJKzx6AGqtk&NR=1
catridges easy to refill
by unknown on Apr 18, 2009 at 3:50pm Add comment
My Lexmark z1480 black cartridge stopped working (claiming empty after refill) and after toying with the advanced printer settings it started working again.

John
by Anonymous on Apr 18, 2009 at 11:06pm Add comment
Nice printer Vad, but in the UK its nearly twice the price at just under £100 GBP !

http://direct.asda.com

Anon:
The Z1480 obviously differs from the X series we had been talking about most recently. If you got it to actually print from the black cart (check its not just using the colour one instead) by changing the print settings in Windows please detail exactly what changes you made from the default settings, thanks.

c+g
by cowandgate on Apr 18, 2009 at 11:59pm Add comment
I didn't make any changes but you cold try this
Re: Lexmark Using Inkjet Cartridge Chips AND Spyware? by jks (4/10/09 7:25 PM) reply + / -
So just to follow-up to my post above. My original black ink still is showing as empty but but still prints after refilling. It was dead for a month or so and then came alive. A miracle? I am not sure but regardless it works again.

I tried tinkering with it in everyway possible with no effect. The one thing that may have possibly worked was playing with the advanced functions as noted by an anonymous poster above. They state,

"Go to 'control panel'. - select 'printers & faxes' - right click the printer - select 'properties' - select the 'advanced' tab - uncheck any checked boxes on the bottom part of the screen (first up is 'hold mismatched documents), that one & the 3 others under MUST BE UNCHECKED to work - then check 'print directly to the printer' option."

I don't know if I followed these instructions directly but I did something saved changes then resorted back to the original settings. I suspect this may have fooled the printer.

End result... a refilled original cartridge works again.

John




Re: Lexmark Using Inkjet Cartridge Chips AND Spyware? by cowandgate (4/10/09 10:33 PM) reply + / -
I don't think its a "miracle", in the intervening month you probably used other cartridges in the same printer, which would have cleared the serial number for your old cart. Thats why it works now, the printer has no memory of it. Hence the proposal for a modified cart to use to perform such "miracles" lol.

c+g

and try to turn it 6 times off.Sometimes its works
by unknown on Apr 19, 2009 at 6:29am Add comment
"and try to turn it 6 times off.Sometimes its works"

Turning the printer off and on 6 times does nothing to the record of serial numbers held within, its an eeprom type device and requires no power.

c+g


by cowandgate on Apr 19, 2009 at 8:15am Add comment
O.K I just heard turning Off and on might work.
I change my Lexmark for HP C4480 and when I refiled catridges it was the same problem, after printing about 5o pages the printet was blocked. I reinstall it, now it showing me a low ink level but its printing. I still could bring it to the store and exchange,maybe they charge me catridges cost and it about 10 days left, so I will try to refiled again if does work.Will keep my 70$ HP))
by unknown on Apr 21, 2009 at 2:39pm Add comment
I refiled hp C4480 two times and after it stop working no functions like cleaning catrides. I brought it back to the store and recieved full refund
Dont buy printer with chip catridges at least you know where you could get chip resetter. - Anonymous
Some manufacturers seem to be taking notice...

http://printandprosper.com

eg
Kodak ESP-7 £169

Black Cart = £6.99 Colour = £9.99

c+g
by cowandgate on Apr 21, 2009 at 5:50pm Add comment
By refilling HP its going to be chipper - Anonymous
Someone has open the cartridge?
can you show me what the pin that connected to EEPROM chip?
May be we can seal it up or we give some electric shock..

(sorry about my language..)
by unknown on Apr 23, 2009 at 6:39am Add comment
Dunno, thats why we need some info from someone who knows etc.

Its not sufficient to merely block access to the chip as some models of printer (but not all) read the serial number and type from it and if they see nothing then they report "Incorrect Cartridge" on their little screen and no printing can take place with that cartridge then.

Thats why I was saying it would be nice to have some modified cart to produce serial numbers etc because its the chip inside the printer that is storing these serials but only the last 6 we believe.

It could be the "5 empty cartridges" could be the simplest workaround, putting each one in in turn and then instigate an (abortive) print job so it reads the serials for each one then go back to the refilled one and put it in and see if it will print (although it probably will still say empty).

I am busy keeping carts to do this experiment, I will report back when done.

c+g
by cowandgate on Apr 23, 2009 at 9:05am Add comment
i'm another user who bought a z2300 and thought that I should be able to refill my cartridge a few times to save a couple of $$. when my #15 cartidge "expired" I was lucky enough to find this website; I think it's ripoff that lexmark goes thru all these roadblocks to keep us from adding new ink to our cartridges so that we can extend the life of the product we buy.
I tried the "taping" techniques, and the 'print directly to the printer' option. nothing worked for me -the printer kept "knowing" that the cartridge was expired and there was nothing I could do. i refuse to buy lexmark's #15 refill cartridge !! i'd sooner buy a "HP C4480 FOR 70$" (thanks for the tip Vad) than spend a penny on a new cartridge from lexmark !!
by unknown on Apr 25, 2009 at 12:21pm Add comment
My Experiments :
I change setting the port from USB (Virtual Port???) to Local port.. then I print, There are no message "Replaced cartrigde.." but It say the print was successfully.. but the printer didnt print (because the false port,data didnt sent to printer maybe ??), so if we can block the port(USB) communication from Printer to Computer and or give false information to computer, it can print..(maybe it can work...). Anyone know how to do it? the programming?

Or, we can tape the pin cartridge,but we also give some (electric) signal beetwen them..


(sory about my bad language)
by unknown on Apr 26, 2009 at 1:55am Add comment
Hiya ANGELL

Please can you write on here step by step how you 'blocked access' to the firewall settings? I am completely rubbish when it comes to changing settings, i have no idea what i am doing. a step by step idiots list of instructions would be great. I have an x4550 all in one with wi fi and use 34/35 ink so i think what you've done would help with my printer.

If anyone else can help then please let me know on [email protected] I have tried refilling my 34 and 35 and no luck, i then bought remanufactured cartridges of the 34/35 type from a stationery store and they worked until the ink ran out, now i've refilled them and the same thing happened (i cannot bypass the low ink message). I would be up for starting some kind of swap club for empty cartridges if this is what we need to do.

Also the next person who says "the answer is dont buy a lexmark printer" ITS TOO LATE FOR THAT!!! That's why we're all here. And if you smash your lexmark and buy another type of printer doesnt that defeat the object of saving money???

Stop with the silly comments people and lets seriously work this out together for everyone who has ever and will ever buy a lexmark printer!!!!
by Anonymous on Apr 26, 2009 at 3:23am Add comment
Hiya ANGELL

Please can you write on here step by step how you 'blocked access' to the firewall settings? I am completely rubbish when it comes to changing settings, i have no idea what i am doing. a step by step idiots list of instructions would be great. I have an x4550 all in one with wi fi and use 34/35 ink so i think what you've done would help with my printer.

If anyone else can help then please let me know on [email protected] I have tried refilling my 34 and 35 and no luck, i then bought remanufactured cartridges of the 34/35 type from a stationery store and they worked until the ink ran out, now i've refilled them and the same thing happened (i cannot bypass the low ink message). I would be up for starting some kind of swap club for empty cartridges if this is what we need to do.

Also the next person who says "the answer is dont buy a lexmark printer" ITS TOO LATE FOR THAT!!! That's why we're all here. And if you smash your lexmark and buy another type of printer doesnt that defeat the object of saving money???

Stop with the silly comments people and lets seriously work this out together for everyone who has ever and will ever buy a lexmark printer!!!!
by Anonymous on Apr 26, 2009 at 3:33am Add comment
If you read the posts I think you will find that its been discovered (at least in most of the X series) that the last 5-6 serials/levels for the carts are stored in the printer itself. Blocking programs in the firewall will only stop the software running on the PC "phoning home" with stats to Lexmark. The way to get it not to know is to rotate 5 or more old carts.

c+g
by cowandgate on Apr 26, 2009 at 5:38am Add comment
Solution!!

OK so i got it to print, here is what i ddid.

first off i have a lexmark Z2320 so i do not know about other printers and i use a #14 for the cartridge.

ok so first off i did this--i dont know if it matters but i did it:
"Go to 'control panel'. - select 'printers & faxes' - right click the printer - select 'properties' - select the 'advanced' tab - uncheck any checked boxes on the bottom part of the screen (first up is 'hold mismatched documents), that one & the 3 others under MUST BE UNCHECKED to work - then check 'print directly to the printer' option."

NOW next i use tape to cover specific points on the back of the cartridge. so a #14 looks like this :

a b c d e
f g h
i j k l
m n o p
q r
s t u v


now cover these points

cde
gh
kl
op
r
uv


So basically that is about half of the points (covering the right side)

I know the symbols got messed up but just do this but just follow the letters

Now when i put it in an click print page it have me the black ink column with a "?" on it but it did NOT warn me about the lack of ink

sure enough the refilled cartridge printed my page!!!!!
by Anonymous on Apr 27, 2009 at 10:11pm Add comment
"then check 'print directly to the printer' option." Doing that greys out the Print Spooler options because if you are printing directly to the printer you are not using the spooler anyway.

Have you checked what cartridge is actually printing? In the above discussions most people seem to be saying that "taping over contacts" in the black cart results in the colour one being used instead to print black.

In the Z series this may work but it certainly does not in the X series.



by cowandgate on Apr 27, 2009 at 10:46pm Add comment
I am not sure how to read your comment about the X series. I have an X6650 which takes cartridges 36 (black) & 37 (colour). I taped over all the lower contact points on the black 36 (Return programme cart) with clear sticky tape - I refilled it and it printed in photo mode (slow and dense). I removed the tape and taped only the lower left contact instead - it printed normally and the computer screen shows the cartridge icon to be full with a "?" over it. Moreover, there are no nonsense refill messages anymore.

I am aware that it might be mixing ink from the colour cartridge to produce black. However, when I look closely at the print with a lens it is clearly black, with no evidence of blue pixels mixed into it. I have been printing for a week now with no problems and the computer does not register that the black cartridge is being used. A wee bit of tape seems to have fooled the bastards! If not, I'll keep you posted.

Lexmark have the makings of good printers (the X6650 scans and faxes and copies even with refilled black 36 RCP, but their greed regarding the cartridges for printing is evil and I hope that we can resolve this soon. They prob'y invested millions in safeguarding their market share of the ink cartridges - if I can continue to refill my black cartridge with the help of a bit of tape I'll never buy another one of their products. They have ruined it for themselves.

Well done you guys who have experimented, step by step, and at this rate we'll soon dent their profits. - Anonymous
Regarding the disabling of the print spooler, as in the above, it can be seen this does nothing with regard to the ink levels (at least in the X3500-X4500 series). This can be monitored by viewing the registry Key

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\LexmarkInkjet\\IjPrtSettings\\OFN1

Scroll down the list to the ones starting

InkPercentC
InkPercentK

etc

These would be at 100 (Hex 64) for a new cart, a lower value for a used one.

If these values are manually edited they will be re-written (by the Lexmark print processor software) to the values it reads from the printer.

Removing Full Control from the permissions on that registry key results in no print job appearing, and no printing, it hangs forever.

This indicates that the print processor software requires to update this in order to function.

The Service that controls this can be found in Services and is called lxdi_device, and stopping that stops printing.

Changing to Winprint instead of the Lexmark Print Processor likewise will not work and no printing takes place.

The list of the associated files and programs is here, if anyone can see a starting point for further probing please let me know as I would like to see a workaround for this ink level problem.

winprinfo 1.1.0 - 2006-07-22 - http://www.unixwiz.net/tools/

Querying printer "Lexmark 3500-4500 Series" via port ""
Printer Lexmark 3500-4500 Series is open
Printer Driver Information (DRIVER_INFO_4):
cVersion = 3
pName = Lexmark 3500-4500 Series
pEnvironment = Windows NT x86
pDriverPath = C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdidr.dll
pDataFile = C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiptpc.dll
pConfigFile = C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiptpc.dll
pHelpFile = C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdihelp.chm
pMonitorName = 3500-4500 Series Port
pDefaultDataType = (null)
pDependentFiles = C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiasnc.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdibubl.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdicats.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdicfg.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdicfg.xml
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdicfgx.exe
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiclr1.lut
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiclr2.lut
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiclr3.lut
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiclr4.lut
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdicpy4.lut
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdicomx.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdicu.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdicub.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdicur.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdidatr.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdidrui.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdidtst.bmp
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdidtst.jpg
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiedf.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdieula.txt
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiflib.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdigf.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdihcp.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdihpec.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdihpeh.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdihpep.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiibuf.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiins.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiinsb.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiinsr.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdijsw.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdijswb.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdijswr.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdijswx.exe
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdilpa.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdilnks.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdilpab.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdilpar.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdippx.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiprod.ver
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiprp.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiprpb.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiprpr.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdipsw.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdipswb.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdipswr.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdipswx.exe
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiretv.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdirme.doc
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiserv.exe
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdisk0.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxditime.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxditime.exe
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiuldr.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiupd.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiupdb.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiupdr.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiupld.exe
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiuplr.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiutil.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiview.exe
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiwbgc.dll
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiwbgw.exe
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiwavs.exe
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdiwww.htm
C:\\Windows\\system32\\spool\\DRIVERS\\W32X86\\3\\lxdixmlu.dll

c+g
by cowandgate on Apr 28, 2009 at 2:45am Add comment
Oh, nearly forgot, I noticed the Service

lxdiCATSCustConnectService

and Disabled it in Services.

The printer still prints but I believe this is the service that sends stats etc to Lexmark over the internet, so easier to just Disable this in Services than messing around with Firewall settings which can be a black art sometimes.

Why let Lexmark gloat over how much they ripped us off?

c+g
by cowandgate on Apr 28, 2009 at 2:50am Add comment
Re: Lexmark #14 Z2320 Solution! by Anonymous (4/27/09 10:11 PM)
>>setting and taping<<<
Not work... my Z1320.. ugh...

Re: Lexmark Using Inkjet Cartridge Chips AND Spyware? by cowandgate (4/28/09 2:50 AM)
>>disable service<<
Not work..

difficult to hack,.but together we can.
by unknown on Apr 29, 2009 at 4:31am Add comment
Had to reenable lxdiCATSCustConnectService as it just stopped printing half way through a print job and would not restart.
The lx_cats thing only sends the serial of the PRINTER to Lexmark as far as I can see, so probably nothing to do with the ink levels and being unable to refill and use old carts in any printer. You can make the 1xxxxxxxxxxxXS.A00 type file and its associated .tmp file Read Only and that seems to stop it writing any further stuff there anyway and the printer then still prints. The truly paranoid with the knowhow to change their Firewall settings can exclude the following IPs

192.146.101.142 lxkcc1.lexmark.com
12.88.94.10
199.191.128.105
12.127.16.69

That will block all access to any Lexmark sites.

This still leaves me convinced that the only real way to have a cartridge with the ink levels correct it to somehow have either new chips or reset chips or some device within the cart.

The only other alternative is rewrite the printer firmware but that idea has already been visited in this thread several times and I think it unlikely someone would want to make the effort to rewrite several different marks of software for each printer type,even if we knew we could update it somehow. Unless there were a simple patch that applied to most or all of the affected printers.

Seriously considering the Kodak offerings as a replacement later on in the year.

c+g


by cowandgate on Apr 30, 2009 at 3:42am Add comment
Just reread this entire thread. I posted in October saying I would NEVER buy another Lexmark. Got a Kodak ESP3 at Christmas (actually requested it as a gift) because of the low price of ink refills. Very happy with it so far. Checked in because hubby's 1420 Lexmark is still sending a million messages a day every time he tries to print an invoice and he calls me every time to fix it..... disappointed to read that no one has come up with a solution yet -- but thanks for keeping this going.

On another note, opened our cottage up after 8 months this weekend and hooked the laptop up to an old lexmark Z45 that's up there, it's been frozen solid all winter (we don't heat the place). It printed right away! So Lexmark USED to make good printers. That's the one that I've refilled about 20 times in the six years or so we've had it. Should bring it home to use in the office..... LSadowy
by Anonymous on May 4, 2009 at 4:42pm Add comment
Tried muckin' around with these damn N0 36 cartridges but have only ended up with black hands and the S#\%TS. I have read entire post and finally bit the bullet and went out and purchased a new No 36 so I can continue printing with this bloody machine.

With the return program cartridge, get bag supplied with cartridge and fill with dirt or similar heavy items and post back to Lexmark also write something on bag similar to what I wrote; (it'll make you feel better!!!!!)

Date: 2009 unfortunately
Company Name: Feelin' ripped off!!
Contact Title: I hate Lexmark cannot refill cartridges you thieving bastards! At least you have to pay the extra postage costs.

If all Lexmark users were to do this with just one return program cartridge maybe Lexmark would get the message and de-chip or announce a hack for this chip. They would still have their market share as there are those who will only buy genuine cartridges... if they were smart they'd release a genuine refill kit and keep us as customers (instead of p@#!\%#g us off) They could compete in the refill market and make a killing... maybe I should apply to them for an executive position in marketing.

Maybe just maybe there's an answer? I wonder if they read these blogs?
by Anonymous on May 5, 2009 at 9:06pm Add comment
I absolutely concur with everything you've said Lexmark are F**king rubbish, I have refilled my #37A colour cartridge and am hoping it works but it doesn't look too good right now!! I did find interesting that #31 cartridges can be used in my X4650 and there is a company selling replacement ones pretty cheap;
www.cartridgeshop.co.uk
worth looking at if all else fails I suppose. - lexmark-ater
I hope they do read it, I think they lose a lot of customers because of the high price of the carts, but not before they have stung you a few times, because like you, we need to print something right now and go and buy their overpriced pieces of plastic.

c+g



by cowandgate on May 6, 2009 at 2:26am Add comment
LSadowy here again. I forgot to mention that to stop the messages, I gave in and went out and bought a new black 34 cartridge, which is all my husband uses to print his invoices. Installed it, and of course the messages STILL come up, replace colour cartridge, order from Lexmark, go F*** yourself, etc.... My solution was to take the colour cartridge out completely. Although there is still ONE message that comes up,("Colour cartridge is missing") he just hits "OK" and it prints.

I have refilled the 34 cartridge a couple of times, but it just got too irritating to deal with all the messages, even though we could continue to print. We use the 1420 for our business printing and print a dozen our so invoices a day, only in black. I am now on my 3rd #34 cartridge and when this one goes, will try putting #1 back in again, as suggested. Will let you know if it works. In the meantime, keep hacking..... ;)


by unknown on May 6, 2009 at 4:58am Add comment
I had this conversation with the live tech support on the Lexmark site itself . . may be of interest to this thread:

=========
[bill] can I use a Lexmark 36a cartridge in the x4650 printer?
[Riza] Welcome to Lexmark Chat Support

[bill] rather than the 36 that came with it
[bill] hi =)
[Riza] Let me verify that one Bill OK?
[bill] ok
[Riza] just give a minute or two to check it
[bill] ok . . no hurry
[Riza] Yes bill you can make use of the 36a cartridge
[Riza] Its also compatible to your X4650 prointer
[bill] what is the difference between the 36 and the 36a?
[Riza] 36 is the RTP ink
[bill] what does RTP mean?
[Riza] That's a Return Cartridge Program Ink that means that you have to return the Cartridge if its already empty to lexmark
[bill] ahhh
[bill] I have noticed that the 36 is NOT refillable, . . is the 36a refillable?
[Riza] yes that's correct
[Riza] Im sorry just to make sure ill check it for you
[bill] thankyou =)
[Riza] Just give me a minute or two because Lexmark basically doesn't support refilling of inks..
[bill] i know
[bill] but i live in a area of the world where i cant buy new cartridges easily . . so I dont really have a choice
[Riza] ok
[Riza] Basically Bill its still the same with the 36a you cant refill it
[bill] ok
[bill] thankyou for your time
[Riza] Welcome
[Riza] anything else that I can assit you with?
[bill] yes
[bill] is there a chip or somthing in the cartridge that will not allow me to refill it?
[Riza] None as well
[bill] i dont understand your answer
[Riza] If you are going to refill it eventually your printer will be damaged because it cant read anymore the cartridge you placed in
[bill] i see
[bill] ok
[Riza] and we doesn't support as well refilled cartridges in the first
[Riza] yes
[bill] i know, but like i said, i dont have access to new cartridges here in the artic ocean . . on a ship
[bill] for 6 months at a time
[Riza] I understand but the printer is not capable of handling refillable ink
[bill] ok
[bill] thankyou =)
[Riza] It will not be read by your printer if its a refilled ink
[Riza] Your welcome Bill

===============

I dont really work on a ship in the artic ocean (duh) . . .but i figured I see if I could get whoever was on the other end to have some sympathy . . .

Im still going to try to refill the 36a cartridge.
by unknown on May 7, 2009 at 6:19am Add comment
...visions of dozens of Lexmark printers frozen into icebergs....found by archeaologists in 5,000 years time.....

....and they were still waiting for confirmation about refills! lol

c+g

by cowandgate on May 7, 2009 at 8:05am Add comment
Very good Bill, I like it. My suspicions were aroused that you did not work in the arctic when you spelt it wrong :p
I can't think why technically cartridges would break the printer. They might expire themselves when used well past their design lifetime, I've had that with one of my refills, but break the printer? Don't think so.
by unknown on May 7, 2009 at 2:38pm Add comment
Very good Bill, I like it. My suspicions were aroused that you did not work in the arctic when you spelt it wrong :p
I can't think why technically cartridges would break the printer. They might expire themselves when used well past their design lifetime, I've had that with one of my refills, but break the printer? Don't think so.
by unknown on May 7, 2009 at 2:45pm Add comment
I can print on the right hand cartridge in black if its a 31 (photo) cart even a remanufactured one, but I cant replace the 35 (colour) one with anything but a genuine one because it simply says "wrong cartridge". Its an X4550.

c+g
by cowandgate on May 10, 2009 at 5:07am Add comment
Tried taping the left contact - as far as I can see what is happening is that the tape makes the printer think there is no black cartridge and use the colour instead, 'cause if I tape both cartridges it will not print at all.

I will never buy lexmark again.
by Anonymous on May 10, 2009 at 5:42am Add comment
Thats correct, for the X series and possibly others, taping will not work.

I meant LEFT hand cart as you look at the printer with the lid up from the front, sorry about the confusion (writes L on left hand and R on right one...)

c+g

by cowandgate on May 10, 2009 at 10:05am Add comment
Hi,i just got a new Lexmard x2650 printer an decided to find out about refilling the 14 cart an 15 cart before i needed to ,i like being prepared.Lol an behold i find that the Lexmark printers are a
pile of shit in that area,
I found this site,an read all the posts.The thing that was interesting was the eeprom U4 discussion.
The x2650 has a 25P80 chip there,its a serial flash,1m x 8 bit,SPI
bus series chip.I found a spec sheet on it-
http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com

An decided to try the write protect on the chip,I de-soldered the whole chip then soldered it back with pin#3
lifted from pad an i connected that to pin #4-ground.Reassembled the printer an it still works so that part has worked out.Not sure if it will cure the refill problem,time will tell,i'll post pack on that later.

The spec sheet had this to say about the W,pin#3 of the chip.
---------------------
When the Status Register Write Disable (SRWD)
bit of the Status Register is 0 (its initial delivery
state), it is possible to write to the Status Register
provided that the Write Enable Latch (WEL) bit has
previously been set by a Write Enable (WREN) instruction,
regardless of the whether Write Protect
(W) is driven High or Low.
When the Status Register Write Disable (SRWD)
bit of the Status Register is set to 1, two cases
need to be considered, depending on the state of
Write Protect (W):

– If Write Protect (W) is driven High, it is
possible to write to the Status Register
provided that the Write Enable Latch (WEL) bit
has previously been set by a Write Enable
(WREN) instruction.

-If Write Protect (W) is driven Low, it is not
possible to write to the Status Register even if
the Write Enable Latch (WEL) bit has
previously been set by a Write Enable
(WREN) instruction. (Attempts to write to the
Status Register are rejected, and are not
accepted for execution). As a consequence,
all the data bytes in the memory area that are
software protected (SPM) by the Block Protect
(BP2, BP1, BP0) bits of the Status Register,
are also hardware protected against data
modification.

Regardless of the order of the two events, the
Hardware Protected Mode (HPM) can be entered:
– by setting the Status Register Write Disable
(SRWD) bit after driving Write Protect (W) Low
– or by driving Write Protect (W) Low after
setting the Status Register Write Disable
(SRWD) bit.
The only way to exit the Hardware Protected Mode
(HPM) once entered is to pull Write Protect (W)
High.
If Write Protect (W) is permanently tied High, the
Hardware Protected Mode (HPM) can never be
activated, and only the Software Protected Mode
(SPM), using the Block Protect (BP2, BP1, BP0)
bits of the Status Register, can be used.
--------------------------
by Anonymous on May 10, 2009 at 10:11am Add comment
Is that an 8 lead device?

I will have a look inside the X4550 when I get a chance.

c+g
by cowandgate on May 10, 2009 at 11:40am Add comment
Taping both cartridges does not prove that the ink for the black print-out comes from the colour cartridge. It could be that the full colour cartridge merely has to be present for the black cartridge to function. Why can't I see any remnants of colour ink on my black print-outs if the taped black cart is not recognized?
by Anonymous on May 10, 2009 at 12:07pm Add comment
Re the chip and pin #3

If the chip is not updating with new data on the ink cartridges then the registry entries above should also be static?

I wonder if the poster who desoldered the chip could check this as it would help to prove that the ink levels are being stored and sent to the PC from the printer and are tied to the cartridge as well.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\LexmarkInkjet\\IjPrtSettings\\OFN1

Scroll down the list to the ones starting

InkPercentC
InkPercentK

etc

c+g

by cowandgate on May 10, 2009 at 3:29pm Add comment
On my cheapie 3400 series with only one cartridge, it's quite obvious that black is created using the colour cartridge. It's always a little bit brown or grey, never as black as a black cartridge. I have not got my x10 lens to hand so I don't know whether there is colour fringing at magnification but by naked eye it is not visible. Lexmark have an automated print and cartridge alignment from scanning when a new cartridge is installed, and it appears to work well.
by unknown on May 10, 2009 at 4:14pm Add comment
Hi,i did the above pin 3 mod to ground on the 25P80 chip. found in the Lexmark 2650 printers.I'm trying to get my chip programmer going again so i can read an maybe write that chip to see if that
mod works or not.Please note that the 25P80 chip is alot different than the 24C16B found in other Lexmark printers.

The printer is only 2 days old now,an has only done a few pages of printing,hehe,so,in time i will check that file an also will re-pull
the 25P80 chip an attempt to read an maybe write to it.
My chip programmer is a Willem one that hasn't got the low voltage mods to it,so i will have to maybe rig some diodes to get lower voltage for the 25P80 chip.

Also note that the 25P80 chip is
huge vrs the 24C16 so,thinking of putting different cart into the x2650 printer until it resets is not a possibility ,chip is 512 times larger,lol
by willy789 on May 10, 2009 at 5:24pm Add comment
I looked at that pic of the chip on the #14 cart-black an decided to play with that.Thinking that it may have fuses or whatever in it.
I traced the lines up an they are the left an right side bottom 2 contracts,so 4 total i think ,i taped up the bottom right side one an it seems to print ok,shows cart as empty ,but still prints.note this is a new cart,an also has the 25p80 chip mod-which i don't think will not work since chip may not have any protection bits set before I grounded the #3 pin,lol
I will also look at that xxxxx.A00 file an see if any stuff has changed in it. - willy789
Hi again,seems that printer used the color cart to print.so have to do more testing,maybe remove color cart an see if it still prints.

Nope,won't print so i will try another contact.Seems that printer needs to make those contacts to accept the cart.
by Anonymous on May 11, 2009 at 11:21am Add comment
Anon
yep taping contacts does not work for the X series at least.

willy789
"I will also look at that xxxxx.A00 file an see if any stuff has changed in it."

Its better to look at the registry entries, those are the ones that it changes each time you print.


HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\LexmarkInkjet\\IjPrtSettings\\OFN1

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\LexmarkInkjet\\IjPrtSettings\\OFN1]
"PortType"=dword:00000004
"RetailerID"=""
"SerialNumber"="1410770010003XS"
"LastBlackCartUID"=dword:288cb90a
"LastColorCartUID"=dword:2821a9cf
"InkPercentK"=dword:00000025
"InkPercentC"=dword:00000008
"InkPercentM"=dword:00000018
"InkPercentY"=dword:00000010
"InkPercentPhotoK"=dword:ffffff9b
"InkPercentPhotoC"=dword:ffffff9b
"InkPercentPhotoM"=dword:ffffff9b
"InkPercentAltC"=dword:ffffff9b
"InkPercentAltM"=dword:ffffff9b
"InkPercentAltY"=dword:ffffff9b
"InkDotCountLoK"=dword:136b8dea
"InkDotCountLoC"=dword:0011e9d3
"InkDotCountLoM"=dword:000916b9
"InkDotCountLoY"=dword:0009034b
"InkDotCountPhotoK"=dword:1d20d1f1
"InkDotCountPhotoC"=dword:1ea85904
"InkDotCountPhotoM"=dword:1f080a12
"InkDotCountAltC"=dword:00000000
"InkDotCountAltM"=dword:00000000
"InkDotCountAltY"=dword:00000000
"AutoMediaType"=dword:00000000
"AutoMediaType2"=dword:00000000
"TraySelect"=dword:00000001
"Tray2Present"=dword:00000000
"PrintDuplexerPresent"=dword:00000000
"DuplexerButtonStatus"=dword:00000000
"CartID1"=dword:00000050
"CartID2"=dword:00000030
"Cart1PYG"=dword:00000000
"Cart2PYG"=dword:00000000
"BasePrinter ID"=dword:0000010d
"AlignA"=dword:0000003f
"AlignB"=dword:00000062
"AlignC"=dword:00000033
"AlignD"=dword:00000028
"AlignE"=dword:0000001d
"AlignF"=dword:00000025
"AlignG"=dword:0000006a
"AlignH"=dword:0000006b
"AlignI"=dword:0000002b
"AlignJ"=dword:0000000a
"BlackSkewAdjustment"=dword:00000005
"BlackSkewActivatorPattern"=dword:00000000
"AlignK"=dword:0000000a
"AlignL"=dword:0000000a
"AlignM"=dword:0000000a
"AlignN"=dword:00000028
"AlignO"=dword:0000001f
"AlignP"=dword:0000002c
"AlignQ"=dword:00000031
"AlignR"=dword:00000028
"AlignS"=dword:00000016
"AlignT"=dword:00000000
"AlignU"=dword:00000000
"AlignV"=dword:00000000
"AlignW"=dword:00000000
"AlignX"=dword:00000000
"AlignY"=dword:00000000
"AlignZ"=dword:00000000
"AlignAA"=dword:00000000
"AlignBB"=dword:00000000
"AlignCC"=dword:00000000
"Estimated Pages"=dword:00000011
"TipJobCount"=dword:0000038e
"TipDisplayTime"="12282007"
"InkDotCountC"=dword:16fd53bd
"InkDotCountM"=dword:12f4480f
"InkDotCountY"=dword:14ccdaa8
"InkDotCountK"=dword:18ef8571
"LastPhotoCartUID"=dword:1e04b7c6

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\LexmarkInkjet\\IjPrtSettings\\OFN1\\GUI]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\LexmarkInkjet\\IjPrtSettings\\OFN1\\GUI\\AUTO MEDIA]
"Auto Media"=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\LexmarkInkjet\\IjPrtSettings\\OFN1\\GUI\\GUI]
"wndheight"=dword:000000b5

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\LexmarkInkjet\\IjPrtSettings\\OFN1\\GUI\\JSW]
"Job Progress Minimized"=dword:00000001
"Show Process Window"=dword:00000001
"JSW Skin Change"=dword:00000000
"JSW Skin"="lxdijswr.dll"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\LexmarkInkjet\\IjPrtSettings\\OFN1\\GUI\\LPA]
"Bidi"=dword:00000001
"Show Network Errors"=dword:00000001
"Sound"=dword:00000000
"Install Running"=dword:00000001
"ShowBubbleWarning"=dword:00000000
"ShowSmartMessagingDlg"=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\LexmarkInkjet\\IjPrtSettings\\OFN1\\GUI\\PRP]
"WMCOUNT"=dword:00000001
"WATERMARK"=hex:00,00,00,00,28,4e,4f,4e,45,29,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00, 00,00,00,\\
00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,0 0,00,\\
00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,30,0 0,20,\\
30,1d,00,00,1d,28,4c,01,00,98,ce,fc,01,c4,00,87,00,20,30,20,20,30,20,2 0,30,\\
20,20,30,20,20,30,20,20,30,20,20,30,20,20,30,20,20,30,20,20,30,20,20,0 0,17,\\
00,00,17,48,4c,01,00,08,f8,87,00,c4,00,87,00,a0,05,00,00,00,00,00,00,c 2,01,\\
00,00,c2,01,00,00,90,01,00,00,00,00,00,00,64,6d,42,22,41,72,69,61,6c,0 0,68,\\
65,65,74,73,50,65,72,42,75,6e,64,6c,65,28,44,57,4f,52,44,29,38,0a,09,6 4,6d,\\
00,00,00,00,32,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00,00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\LexmarkInkjet\\IjPrtSettings\\OFN1\\GUI\\PSW]
"K Ink Low"=dword:00000027
"C Ink Low"=dword:00000064
"M Ink Low"=dword:00000064
"Y Ink Low"=dword:00000064
"PhK Ink Low"=dword:00000064
"PhC Ink Low"=dword:00000064
"PhM Ink Low"=dword:00000064
"KCM Ink Low"=dword:ffffff9b
"CMY Ink Low"=dword:0000000a
"CompToPrintFromPPLPA"=dword:00000000
"CompleteToPrint"=dword:00000000
"Cart1ReserveTankFlag"=dword:00000000
"Cart2ReserveTankFlag"=dword:00000000
"CartAlreadyOrdered"=dword:00000001
"Show Ink Levels"=dword:00000000
"PYGSupport"=dword:00000000
"ShowDidYouKnowTip"=dword:00000001
"Warning1AlreadyOccuredBlack"=dword:00000001
"Warning2AlreadyOccuredBlack"=dword:00000001
"Warning1AlreadyOccuredColor"=dword:00000001
"Warning2AlreadyOccuredColor"=dword:00000001
"RecycleTipOccured"=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\LexmarkInkjet\\IjPrtSettings\\OFN1\\PrinterD riverData]
"DisableDOS"="0"

maybe you could compare what you have to these?

c+g
by cowandgate on May 11, 2009 at 10:27pm Add comment
I just got the dreaded OOI (out of ink) message from the no. 36 cartridge in my Lexmark X6650. I tried all the "solutions" on the web to no avail.

I think we're barking up the wrong tree here. I doubt you're going to find the answer in the registry. Has anyone tried checking up on Lexmark's patents? For example, Lexmark patent no. 7,280,772, "Method for detecting whether a cartridge installed in an imaging apparatus is potentially counterfeit" is particularly illuminating.

You can see it at http://patft.uspto.gov

by ImagingScientist on May 11, 2009 at 11:22pm Add comment
PLEASE TAKE ACTION!

Write a letter of complaint and don't every buy Lexmark again.

I wrote a complaint note to Lexmark about this (from their contact form on my regional web site). I've been buying Lexmark for... at least 15 years. I've bought 5 or six for my home, and hundreds for work. The work ones are all laser - all using their cartridges (never refilled).

After this "dodgy" act of unethically taking away our legal right to refill our cartridges I'm never making another Lexmark purchase for home or work. I'm fast tracking replacing all Lexmark lasers at work. I estimate that they are going to loose at least $50,000 in consumables from my company.

Let them know.
by Anonymous on May 12, 2009 at 3:04am Add comment
Yes its got a chip in the cartridge and a memory chip in the printer that communicates with the PC GUI front end and saves stuff in the registry and in files on the computer.

What I was asking of the other poster that had modified the chip in the Printer was what effect, if any, did it have on the data being sent back to the (GUI Windows) front end?

The inference being that if the data was remaining static then just doing the single pin mod suggested was actually the solution because the levels (obviously do it when a new cart is fitted) would not change and neither would the cart ID when another (possibly a remanufactured cart) was fitted.

I was not suggesting a registry hack would cure it, I have already experimented with setting permissions on various parts of that key and the printer driver checks if it can write them and if not just hangs and prints nothing.

c+g
by cowandgate on May 12, 2009 at 3:07am Add comment
As a note to the above, with the chip "blinded" effectively, well hopefully, the crunch will come when another different cart is introduced, will it store the ID elsewhere or will it, as predicted, just carry on unaware and think its the first cartridge?

It will be interesting to see.

Note to the last poster:

Thats probably the best message to send to Lexmark, ie "We don't need your printers".

I note also that if the above mentioned patent is granted or has been granted, then no other printer manufacturer can incorporate it into their designs without Lexmarks permission. So they probably shot themselves in the foot there, as competitors products will be much easier to refill than theirs and will therefore gain more sales!

maybe

c+g
by cowandgate on May 12, 2009 at 3:17am Add comment
Here is how we can complain: Go onto the Amazon.com and other sales sites and give a review on all the Lexmark printers, explicitly pointing out that they do not permit cartridge refilling, unlike other printers, and the cartridges are allegedly "empty" even although there is still ink left in them! This will surely dent Lexmark sales.
by unknown on May 13, 2009 at 10:57am Add comment
Ok,I dl the U4 chip ie 25P80,it contains the printers software also,but its encrypted too.
It does contain all the drops,cartridge info also.

from the chip.
....(C) COPYRIGHT LEXMARK INTERNATIONAL, Inc. 2000-2007. All Rights Reserved Bloader V6.06
w/ZLIB V1.2.1 Decomp Hartsfield ...c.

I'm not able to protect the chip from writing any new info,since the lifting of pin an grounding
needs to have the chip code protected also.So got another idea that i will try.
That is to install an outside switch to turn the chip on,I figure they read the chip at
startup of printer,ie power on,but write it at end of printing,
so maybe just a switch to turn on an off that chip may be a work around.
by unknown on May 13, 2009 at 3:51pm Add comment
Good work!

What a lot of effort they have invested in this, it surprises me. Encrypted software and putting it on the same flash chip that they write the data to, very clever.

Where does it get us though?

Will the printer still print with the chip disabled?

c+g
by cowandgate on May 13, 2009 at 4:24pm Add comment
Hi.

Any thoughts regarding Lexmark's Z2390 printer using nos 4 and 5.

Which contacts need to be taped to make a black (no 4) refilled cartridge work.

Thanks

by anon_private on May 13, 2009 at 5:08pm Add comment
Dont know, we were talking about the X series printers, taping pins over may work for all I know in the Z2390 but it seems that for most Lexmarks doing that just causes the printer to ignore the black cart and use the colour one to make up the black print instead. Have you tried remanufactured carts instead? They may work OK in that particular model.

c+g
by cowandgate on May 13, 2009 at 10:02pm Add comment
There are references in this thread to Z series printers. I also believe that the no. 4 and 5 cartridges fit some X series printers as well.

I don't think that remanufactured cartridges are avaiavlble for 4 and 5.

I believe that taping might well work if I can determine the contacts that need to be taped and the loading procedure.

Any thoughts on the contacts greatly appreciated.

Best wishes

A

Ps. I realise that A version cartridges are available
by Anonymous on May 14, 2009 at 3:51am Add comment

"Any thoughts regarding Lexmark's Z2390 printer using nos 4 and 5."

A type 31 replacement cartridge is said to work in the Z2390

I do not know if taping the contacts will work for that but if you get a replacement cart eg

http://www.cartridgesave.co.uk/018C0031-RET.html?id=FuNYqKdN

you would not need to do anything except refill it.

The replacement 31 photo carts work in the X4550 as well, they just say empty all the time but it prints and you can refill them.

Its the colour cart that goes in the RHS slot that gives the trouble.

The LHS cart will not work without there being a valid cart in the RHS slot, thats what screws this up every time so I still need to keep buying colour ones although the 31 type should print colour?

Just noticed that same website does 34 and 35 remanufactured

http://www.cartridgesave.co.uk/ink-cartridges/Lexmark/X4550.html

maybe worth a try as I have had 34 and 35s that worked as well but I sent them for recycling silly me!


c+g
by cowandgate on May 14, 2009 at 9:09am Add comment
Thank you

Useful information

Best wishes

A
by Anonymous on May 15, 2009 at 2:17am Add comment
I have a Lexmark Z-1300 with a hi capacity 34 black cartridge and Windows XP. After reading these posts, I fooled around and found TO STOP ALL MESSAGES AND JUST PRINT, DAMMIT, do this:

Start > Printers and Faxes. Then open "Properties" on the printer. Then do: > Advanced > Print Processor (tab at bottom)

In the "Print Processor" I see "Modiprint", "Lexmark 1300 Series Print Processor" and "WinPrint". I selected "WinPrint" instead of the "Lexmark". Now when I print, I get no messages AT ALL on my refilled cartridge. After a few tries, this seems to be working. I usually just print in black/white. Good luck!
by scottzzz on May 15, 2009 at 10:15am Add comment
Hi,spent all night reading these posts, tried your tip on z1420 and got an instant print with no'low ink' message!!!Truth time tomorrow when I print work documents, but thanks for the moment.
tnarg8 - tnarg8
I am going to trash my Lexmark X6650 as a printer. It still faxes and copies however. Can anyone recommend a good general purpose simple printer with refillable cartridges? It doesn't have to print photos. Canon printers have been given a good name in this respect. Any suggestions? Thx
by unknown on May 15, 2009 at 10:17am Add comment
I bought HP K5400 it has 88 catriges they are not refilable but by buying chip or like me new refilable catridges with already changed chip for 23$ a kit from ebay you will have print chipper them laser. For this printer I paid 169$. It not a perfrect printer bu looking at Amozon.com review there is a lot of negative. I recommend to buy from the store with exchange warranty. Its a really fast printer and not to noisy like others HP with 88 catridges. - Anonymous
i took my Lexmark to Staples, where they gave me a $50 rebate for it. then bought a HP C6380, and the cartridges are refillable...with all the ink i already have. might be more than you want to spend, this one is wifi and wonderful, but they have cheaper models. you have to buy one that is regular price $179, but pick one that is regular price, that but on sale, say sale price $129, minus the $50 rebate and you're into a great printer that's refillable for $70-ish
by flybuddy on May 15, 2009 at 11:14am Add comment
I dont think HP C6380 are refillable. Its may be reffilable just one time?? - Anonymous
"like me new refilable catridges with already changed chip for 23$ a kit from ebay you will have print chipper them laser"

Say what? Are you suggesting to run a laser printer through a wood chipper? I'd ilke to run my X6650 through a chipper - what a great U-Toob video *that* would make!
by unknown on May 15, 2009 at 11:35am Add comment
You couldn't compare C6380 catridges with 88
http://www.freeinkshop.co.uk/main_info.asp?MFGno=C9396AE
by unknown on May 15, 2009 at 12:41pm Add comment
HP6380 might not advertise itself as refillable, but i've been sticking that little needle under the hole that is already there (that is under the sticker) and putting ink in about every 2 or 3 weeks and have not had a problem or that durned DO NOT RECOGNIZE THIS CARTRIDGE or THIS ISN"T LEXMARK INK SUCKER... message that i was getting with the lexmark! also, the inks come in separate cartridges, so you know exactly what color to fill up
by flybuddy on May 15, 2009 at 12:46pm Add comment
Thanks Scottzzz for the info.

I'll try something similar tomorrow.

Ps.

Has anyone had any success in masking the contacts of a cartridge configuration given below such that the printer recognises a refilled cartridge.
The cartridge is a Lexmark no 4 (Black)

The same configuration, but of another cartridge, might work for me – it is worth a try

5
3
4
4
4
2
4

I tried creating a diagram, but the editor left justies

by Anonymous on May 15, 2009 at 7:02pm Add comment
Thanks Scottzzz for the info.

I'll try something similar tomorrow.

Ps.

Has anyone had any success in masking the contacts of a cartridge configuration given below such that the printer recognises a refilled cartridge.
The cartridge is a Lexmark no 4 (Black)

The same configuration, but of another cartridge, might work for me – it is worth a try

5
3
4
4
4
2
4

I tried creating a diagram, but the editor left justies

by Anonymous on May 15, 2009 at 7:04pm Add comment
Scottzz

I have just had a look at my print processor.

I have winprint

my data options are:

RAW
RAW [FF appended]
RAW [FF Auto]
NT EMF 1003
NT EMF 1006
NT EMF 1007
NT EMF 1008
TEXT

Any suggestions.

Best wishes

A
by Anonymous on May 15, 2009 at 7:14pm Add comment
Using Winprint did not print anything for me but thats on a X4550.

(the EMF bit just stands for Extended Meta File as in Windows Meta Files)

c+g
by cowandgate on May 15, 2009 at 10:17pm Add comment
Thanks for the response.

Winprint did not print anything for me either.

I need to overcome the serial numbers attached to the cartridges.

A free programme that would edit these would be useful.

Also, if I could get hold of a couple of empty cartridges, that might help as well. Can't find any on the web.

Taping might help, but I've tried a lot of combinations without success.

Best wishes

A
by Anonymous on May 16, 2009 at 4:00am Add comment
"I need to overcome the serial numbers attached to the cartridges.

A free programme that would edit these would be useful."

The main obstacle to "a program" is that this is running on the PRINTER not the PC.

So far the nearest we have to stopping this is the suggestion by one poster to rewire one of the memory chips inside the printer.

This may not apply to all models though and its not proven to work in any case.

Which brings us back to the cartridge. it must be possible to do something with it to disable the chip within without also making the cart unrecognisable, as there are remanufactured carts available that do just this.

c+g
by cowandgate on May 16, 2009 at 7:23am Add comment
Yes,

I am still trying to find a tape combination - without any success.

I seem to have disabled the printer driver. This has not caused a problem because I simply recreated a driver copy from the original files on the pc. I can remove the troublesome driver in 'printers' by right clicking and delete. Should get rid of the icon.

There must be somebody around the world who has found the tape combinations for the Z 2390. If a combination exists?

Best wishes.

Ps. Regarding your comment regarding a programme. Surely a programme could run a a pc that interrogates the chip on a printer?
by Anonymous on May 16, 2009 at 9:06am Add comment
I have eliminated all messages on Z2300. I now can print with no BS from Lexmark.

control pannel- printers/faxes- right click lex Z2300- properties- advanced tab- print prossors- select Winprint in print prossor choices- also select Raw(FF appended) in defult data type choises.

I refilled my first 14A cart in this printer my self but could not get it to work. Lexmark told me my ink was incompatable.

I bought another 14A. When it was empty I had it refilled by Cartridge World ($10)and is still working ok. I will try to refill it when it gets empty and see if the ink really is incompatable. I dont believe anything Lexmark tell me!

The ink I used was from ink-ect.com #1020 black pigmented. I have useing this ink in Lexmark and Brother printers for some time. Does anyone know if this is the wrong ink? Any help?


by Anonymous on May 16, 2009 at 12:02pm Add comment
Still no luck at my end.

Did you change the driver?

I am wondering if another driver might help.

I have a number of Lexmark drivers preinstalled under Vista.

But I don't know which ones are likely to bypass the inkjet/refill monitor on the printer/cartridge.

I use the Z 2390.

Any suggestions?

Thanks
by Anonymous on May 17, 2009 at 5:25am Add comment
I used the driver that came with the Z2300.

Did you try all the choices in the "defult data type choices". "Raw(FF Appended)" worked for my Z2300 but try all choices that come up for "win print" in the print prossor choices. I dont have a clue what all this means but it works for me.
by Anonymous on May 17, 2009 at 12:54pm Add comment
Well...the plot thickens. I posted last Friday that I could print with no low ink messages on a refilled cartridge (Lexmark Z1300 with 34 black cartridge) if in the advanced properties settings I chose "WinPrint" as the processor. Well this morning when I started up and printed, I could not print in "Winprint". So I switched the processor back to "Lexmark" and all the old bad messages came back. HOWEVER, after printing once and going through the low ink messages, I switched the processor BACK to "WinPrint" and can now print with no messages popping up. SO, for the Z1300, it seems if you print once with the "Lexmark" as the processor, then you can switch back to "Winprint" and print the rest of the day (or until you reboot) without the messages.

It seems to me someone needs to monkey with the drivers to fix this issue.

Good luck,
Scottzzz
by scottzzz on May 18, 2009 at 7:50am Add comment
I spoke too soon (5/16 12:02 pm). The same thing happened to my Z2300. After reboot I had to print once in Lexmark then return to Win Print.

"Still no luck on my end" check to see if you hit the apply button on the "advanced" tab screen after you come back to that screen when you change the "defult data choice". The apply button only is litup after you hit the "OK" button on the "print prossers" screen and that screen dissaperes. I missed it a few times and hit the "ok" button instead and the change was not made. Maybe this helps.
by Anonymous on May 18, 2009 at 5:58pm Add comment
Hi,

My printer will not print anything

I think I need to bypass the printer ROM that reads the serial numbers of the cartridges.
by Anonymous on May 19, 2009 at 3:53am Add comment
Hi,

My printer will not print anything

I think I need to bypass the printer ROM that reads the serial numbers of the cartridges.
by Anonymous on May 19, 2009 at 3:58am Add comment
Well just got the message from the printer(an X5435) LCD to "REMOVE TAPE FROM PRINTER CARTRIDGE" so how creepy is that.......!!!! ???
by unknown on May 19, 2009 at 4:00am Add comment
LOL...just a coincidence....the lexmark software thinks you have put in a NEW cartridge, which do come with a piece of tape on them...you have to remove when installing the cartridge.
by scottzzz on May 19, 2009 at 5:35am Add comment
I've read all the messages in this thread and I can't say enough for all the effort by everyone to solve this problem!

There are a couple things that we know:

Refilled cartridge won't show full under any scenario by:
a. Changing printers
b. Changing computers
c. re-installing software/ drivers

I looked in the cartridge and I couldn't find any sensors that would report ink levels. Yet ink levels are reported. I believe that it is gleaned from the data that is sent to the printer to be printed and not from actual ink levels. (I'm not a lawyer but it seems to me that this is a misrepresentation.) The program knows exactly what colors and quantities of ink needed to fire a nozzle and after it's done it updates the cartridge. I believe that the cartridge can't be changed, maybe.

I don't think the serial # of the cartridge is relevant since a refilled cart reports empty on a new computer/printer. It's the go/no-go switch that is apparently on the cartridge that determines whether it can be used.

Only two ways to bypass the situation:
1. Modify cartridge
2. Modify software program

If you can't write to cartridge then you can't modify the cartridge. That leaves modifying the program. Not in our lifetime. (Of course if Lexmark is interested in getting their printers back on the shelves at the retailers they may LEAK the info.)

I have a X2500, no complaints, nice printer, excellent copier probably a couple hundred bucks or more without their ink subsidies. But, geez, a hundred bucks to print up a couple dozen 8x10 photos. I'm not any kind of expert but I need some kind of subsidy for all the ones I throw away.

by opsman000 on May 19, 2009 at 9:11pm Add comment
Ok,my latest tests etc on the x2650 cheap printer with #14 an #15 cartridges.

I rebuilt an existing jtag device so it could use a program called spiflash at
http://spiflash.org/.I needed this program to write the software protect bits on the 25P80 chip
in my printer.I then rewired the chip so that the hardware right protect is always set,so,nothing
from lexmark can now write to that chip.With this set up ,the printer does act funny but still works,
the turn off button try's to turn off printer,it goes to off for a few seconds then comes back on.
I think its trying to upgrade data in chip an since it can't,it resets back to on.
To turn power off i hit the printer power off button an when lights flash off for a few seconds,
i pull the large black power in converter at back of printer.don't try just the cable to it,
pull whole device since it has some caps,etc that stores power for a few sec if just cable to
it is pulled.

Now to restart printer an computer,the files in a folder need to be redone to what they were
at the time that i set the 25P80 chip so it could not be written to,i made a copy of folder
Lx_cats,COPY all these files to the existing folder.then reapply power to the printer.
ie Plug the large black power converter into printer.
I also traced a pin,the bottom right side pin on cartridge,if tapped over printer doesn't
see the cartridge.this pin an same for black or colour cartridge goes directly to a chip on printer.
i think this is the serial read,write from cartridge pin,I may do some
tests on this,but right now it seems that the chip mode (25P80) may work to stop the lexmark cartridge
from counting down an finally stop working.

This may also work on other lexmark printers ,but since i have only
the above one,i cann't test it.Someone else did a mod on a 24cxx chip,
from a different printer.That may work also,to stop cartridge count
down.Time will tell.

My testing,on a new printer an cartridge shows that Lexmark really
lies about ink in cartridge too,somehow in resetting chip an starting
the printer,i got \%59 of black cartridge left,where i only printed out
like 5 alignment pages,which should be almost nothing on ink usage,
they are robbing ppl blind IMO.Should be another law suit against
companies that do this,its cooperate stealing




To all Lexmark ppl reading this,i send a fuc.... You.I will never never buy another Lexmark product.
An i advise everyone else to do the same an tell as many ppl as possible about Leexmark as you can.
I bought this on sale for $40 an replacement cartridges cost $60,
something wrong here,there are worse than loan sharks,should be a law
against that,it called suck consumer in an then screw them.
by Anonymous on May 19, 2009 at 11:16pm Add comment
Good work! Thanks for that. Maybe a possible workaround then but only with a soldering iron.

I will try the bottom right contact tape over on the X4550 see if it works.

c+g

ps
"suck consumer in an then screw them"

yes I feel that way too, but it left no smile upon my face...


by cowandgate on May 20, 2009 at 1:13am Add comment
tapping that pin -bottom right won't work,maybe a switch on it after the printer accepts it as valid may work to stop any updates to the chip.JMO
by Anonymous on May 20, 2009 at 1:17am Add comment
OK

I must say I prefer to decide myself when a cartridge is empty, ie it stops printing reliably.

In olden days typewriter ribbons wore out, but it was the owner who made the final decision about when and with what it was replaced with.

And so it should be again I believe with computer printers.

Lexmark, by implementing their Patents as above, are admitting to being the sole arbiters of when and how much yield customers are allowed from each cartridge.

I believe that is not in the interests of the consumer and should be challenged somehow, although I am not a lawyer, so I don't know how.

c+g
by cowandgate on May 20, 2009 at 1:28am Add comment
I agree with you that the consumer should be able to decide when a cartridge needs to be refilled.

As a nasty side note, it gripes me to no end to watch the ink level in the color cartridge 29 go down while the black cartridge 28 level doesn't move when I print black only documents.

If I were Lexmark I would think a good business model would be to allow refilling since the ink is so cheap to manufacture and let the consumer purchase a new cartridge to get a new print head. I would even be willing to pay a little more for the print head cartridge than they are now charging.

A walk through Best Buy looks like Canon and HP country. No Lexmarks, and very little Lexmark ink. Looks like the handwriting is on the wall.
- opsman000
Hi,

Couple of questions.

If I am using the Lexmark driver, but the winprint processor. What is actually happening? How do they work together?

Can anyone clarify the role of the lower right pin on the cartridge.

Any idea what the other pins do?

Some people have noticed that after reboot they have to print from Lexmark before printing from Winprint. Any thoughts on why this should be?

Thanks

A
by Anonymous on May 20, 2009 at 6:49pm Add comment
Winprint does not work with the 3500-4500 X series but I can't confirm for other types.

The Print Processor delivers raw data to the printer, Lexmark use a modified form of Windows MetaFile (WMF) LEMF.

Masking pins usually results in the cart being disabled and printing being completed by the colour cart (in the case of the black one being disabled).

c+g
by cowandgate on May 21, 2009 at 12:37am Add comment
Thanks for responding.

Few more questions:

Do these Lexmark printers have memories of their own. I realise that they have chips that record cartridge data.

When using Lexmark, I often get the Printing Alignment Page. I haven't found a way to block this.

If the black cartridge is working, but the fill level is not being monitored so that it reads full irrespective of ink level, is it likely that the print will go grey before stopping altogether?

Thanks

A
by Anonymous on May 21, 2009 at 4:00am Add comment
Hi,

I am thinking of buying an empty no. 31 cartridge.

Any tips on how to keep it active untill I am ready to use it?

How many colour inks can be intorduced into the cartridge (include black in your list)? I assume that all the chambers would need to contain ink in order for the cartridge to work. Am I correct?

Thanks
by Anonymous on May 21, 2009 at 4:09am Add comment
Forgot to ask.

Will the no 31 run on ordinary CMY and B used in the standard Black (no4) and colour (No 5)cartridges

Thanks
by Anonymous on May 21, 2009 at 4:46am Add comment
Quote:
"Few more questions:
Do these Lexmark printers have memories of their own. I realise that they have chips that record cartridge data.
When using Lexmark, I often get the Printing Alignment Page. I haven't found a way to block this.
If the black cartridge is working, but the fill level is not being monitored so that it reads full irrespective of ink level, is it likely that the print will go grey before stopping altogether?"
---------------------------------
Yes,the printer has memories of their own.
Printing Alignment Page seems to happen if you remove cartridge or maybe even when you restart comp OS or re power on the printer after it was unplugged.
"is it likely that the print will go grey before stopping altogether" -probably or quality will drop off very fast.

I'm just a casual user of my printer,so my testing of the
25P80 chip will probably take a long time on the X2650 printer.Other ppl with the I2P chips,24Cxx series eeprom chips could maybe lock that chip an see what happens.
Someone earlier put a blank one in an discussed locking them , as i have a different chip so had to lock it differently.Someone else tried locking the 25P80 chip as
the 24Cxx chips an of course it didn't work,different chips an control lines,etc,lol,Before you mess with that you should know what you are doing 1st,hehe.

It may be the cartridge is still counting down on its own,even thou the cartridge level on mine aren't changing
in Lexmarks monitoring program on comp.
One good thing thou is i don't get that -Printing Alignment Page which is Lexamark BS,wasting paper an ink.
It should be under users control,not f...g Lexamark.
by Anonymous on May 22, 2009 at 8:18am Add comment
Hi,

Thanks for responding.

Someone pointed out that masking say a contact on the black cartridge will force the printer to use the colour cartridge.

I masked a contact and got text in black. How can I know if the black that I see is comming from the black cartridge, or a combination from the colour cartridge.

I note that the black print is very black. I would assume from the black cart?

Best wishes

A.

Ps. Any thoughts on the no 31 cart and ink.

I have a lot of colour and black ink, but no photoink. Do you think I could use ordinary CMY and B in the photocartridge?

Thanks
by Anonymous on May 22, 2009 at 6:21pm Add comment
I have the same issue. I have a X6650 multifunction printer which uses 2 cartridges (36 & 37). I taped the lower right contact of my black 36 cart and refilled it after drilling a hole on the top. It prints black without nuisance warning signs on the computer, but I don't know if the black ink comes from the color 37 or the refilled 36. I cannot see specs of coloured ink on the print using a lens. However, if it can produce perfect black using the colour cart, why does it need two cartridges in the first place?

I am intruiged if the 36A and 37A are refillable. Further, the prohibited use of refill cartridges falls away when the printer is used as a fax machine and copier. It seems to need the PC to prohibit the use of refilled carts for printing - suggesting the solution lies in the software. If this is so, Lexmark in theory could relent under pressure and remove this block by updating their drivers/software.

I still suggest that we each give a truthful account of our printers and experiences on printer review sites such as Amazon.com. Only decreased sales of their products will pressure Lexmark into coming clean. - Anonymous
Hi, I have tried some solutions on this thread for my all in one x2650 and the only one that makes the print head to move and work is to change the print processor to winprint, unfortunately my carts were empty by the time it worked, refilled them and the pages comes out blank. I read somewhere in this thread that the printer burns the print heads when empty and maybe its true, so dont bother trying solutions on these models. I wont EVER buy lexmark again. I will keep this S**T just for the scanner for printing I will Buy a Canon.
by the OC on May 22, 2009 at 11:44pm Add comment
The scanner on the X4550 is not drivable from the PC, it only does one page at a time from the control panel, you have to plug the USB cable in if you want any other functions, kinda defeats the object of it being a Wifi printer doesn't it? Its also tedious waiting whilst it downloads a list of applications for each and every page scanned.

c+g

by cowandgate on May 23, 2009 at 1:07am Add comment
Hi,

In addition to wondering about black produced by a photcartridge compared to black produced by a black cartridge. I was also wondering how the printer works with a photocartridge and colour cartridge installed.

I assume that it would produce black from one of the cartridges by mixing, but which one.

Also if a colour is needed how is the cardtridge selected, ie, phot over colour cartridge, or vice versa?

Thanks
by Anonymous on May 23, 2009 at 4:03am Add comment
Regarding black from which cartridge. I did wonder if black from an admixture from the colour cartridge would be quite such a convincing black.

Best wishes
by Anonymous on May 25, 2009 at 9:00am Add comment
It occurs to me that if you have an expendable cartridge you could tape over the printhead then print black. The black would have had to come from the other cartridge.

I can't try this because I think it might damage the printhead, and I don't have an expendable cartridge. You may feel likewise.

A
by Anonymous on May 25, 2009 at 10:45am Add comment
Re the X6650

I just checked on Lexmarks website and it says you can use Type 31 Photo cartridges in the X6650 thats the left hand cartridge instead of the black one.

The type 31 carts that I have purchased as replacement non Lexmark ones are usually prices around £10 GBP as opposed to nearly 3x that for a genuine one.

For some reason the type 31s do not have the same problems as the 34,35,36,37 types do with identification and ink level indicators stopping you printing, or at least not on my X4550.

So, I suggest trying a cheap compatible 31 and leave an old colour cart in the other right hand slot and see what happens. It should be able to print from the left cart alone as its termed a colour/black cart.

c+g
by cowandgate on May 25, 2009 at 10:37pm Add comment
The #31 cartridge must be giving Lemark fits. They have a banner on their site in the ink section saying that their genuine Lexmark ink in the #31 exceeds 3rd party refill ink. (paraphrased)

I took the #29 color cart out of the x2500 and am printing with only the #28 black on the left side. Prints just fine alone--still the original, not refilled.

It will be interesting to see what the #31 cart does by itself as far as color printing.

I have a #35 genuine Lexmark cart that I haven't used yet. Supposedly according to some of the refill sites this cart can be refilled. We'll see. - opsman000
I use a nexis printer that takes 16 /27 lexmark ink, this robot printer is only for cd dvd printing in batch, never gives me a error message when I refill, the solfware is from nexis but they must have lexmark printer drivers. Even when i get the ink below 5\% message i can just keep printing.
Dave
by unknown on May 26, 2009 at 10:03am Add comment
4800 series cant be refilled, read every single post, done everything. did not manage. tried to crack it did not manage (its not my area of expertiese though)

LEXMARK sucks. just bought a new cannon today. f*ck you lexmark
by unknown on May 28, 2009 at 9:14am Add comment
Ref. Lexmark cartridges

I have read that if I fill a cartridge then I should not put anything over the printhead, yet if I buy cartridges they always have tape over the head. What can I use to cover the head untill I am ready to install?

Can I damage the circuitry by running the head under the warm tap should a stubborn blockage occur?

Can an empty cartridge be stored untill the current one expires. Should tape be used? I assume that provided the cartridge is clean then it should re-activate without a problem on refilling.

Let me know what you think



Thanks
by Anonymous on May 29, 2009 at 2:06am Add comment
I had earlier posted I could use "winprint" to bypass the z1300 annoying messages. While poking in the drivers, I found this in the z1300 driver agreement:

CARTRIDGE LICENSE AGREEMENT*
I agree that the patented print cartridge(s) shipped with this printing device are sold subject to the following license/agreement: The patented print cartridge(s) contained inside is/are licensed for a single use only and is/are designed to stop working after delivering a fixed amount of ink. A variable amount of ink will remain in the cartridge when replacement is required. After this single use, the license to use the print cartridge terminates, and the used cartridge must be returned only to Lexmark for remanufacturing, refilling or recycling. If I buy another cartridge in the future that is sold subject to the above terms, I accept such terms as to that cartridge. If you do not accept the terms of this single use license/agreement; return this product in its original packaging to your point of purchase. A replacement cartridge sold without these terms is available at www.lexmark.com.

* Products within the XX80 Series (including but not limited to models X1380, X1480, X1580, X2580, X3580 and X4580) are not subject to the Cartridge License Agreement.

So I guess you can get a cartridge you can refill. You need to read your driver agreement to see if this is so for your particular printer.

Except for this cartridge business, I actually like Lexmark printers....cheap and reliable...just this cartridge stuff is a pain.

Good luck!
by scottzzz on May 29, 2009 at 6:45am Add comment
That agreement is printed right on the outside of x2500 printer box.

Lexmark did well in the marketplace because they put out a good printer at a less cost than the "name-brand" printers; remembering back. Problem is now that when you add up the cartridge costs the printer becomes one of the most expensive on the market.

I believe that they've closed up their Mexico plant for cartridges. What's that say?

As far as software, copying, printing black, great printer. As far as photo, it might be cheaper to take the prints to the drugstore. Ain't that a shame?

If I can find a refillable cart for black that will work then I'll be happy. Problem is buying all these genuine Lemark cartridges to find the ones that work.

My opinion with "some" experience is that the refill outfits aren't much better than Lexmark in this refill game we're playing--maybe they'll work, maybe they won't--be sure to buy the special cleaner for the print head, etc. Don't buy it unless it is guaranteed.

- opsman000
"just this cartridge stuff is a pain"

No, I think the cartridges are OK technically, its just Lexmark's abuse of their privileged position as sole arbiter of how much ink each cartridge shall yield that is the problem. Combined with the artificially (in my opinion) high price of these cartridges it all adds up to one enormous shafting for the poor customers.

c+g
by cowandgate on May 29, 2009 at 8:56am Add comment
I am expecting an empty used photocatridge to arrive soon (No. 31).

Before I refill, I think I should clean it. Can anyone suggest a method of cleaning the cart so that I don't contaminate the ink sponges. In particular the right way to use the solvent.

Thanks

A
by Anonymous on May 31, 2009 at 5:39pm Add comment
Forgot to mention.

After refilling, I'll store the cart untill I am ready to use it.

I'd like to find a good method of keeping the printhead clean and ready for use.

I note that new carts have a tape over the head. I was thinking of getting a couple of pieces of scotch tape and sticking them together - to eliminate the adhesive, then placing this across the printhead and securing it to the body with tape.

If anyone has a better suggestion, please let me know.

Best wishes

A
by Anonymous on May 31, 2009 at 5:46pm Add comment
To the person wanting to put something over the printhead--I went to Office Max and asked what they used while refilling and they used a long piece of tape with a square of clear soft flexible gel on it that you press down onto the printhead and then the tape is pulled tight on each side of the cartridge. The
gel part looks like clear, soft silicone. I asked to buy some and was just handed a half a dozen for free. I don't know if just putting some regular silicone on a piece of tape and letting it dry would do the same thing----it's a possibility!

I bought a Lexmark X5650 for $90 a week ago and only did what seems to me to be a limited amount of printing (this is personal use only) and now a shade over a week later I'm already out of color ink and very unhappy. I noticed the level going down so I
drilled holes in the top and refilled it but it only printed a
few more photos and refuses to print anymore because it's reached it's limit, like all of the above emails have said. So
although the cartridge is full, I get nothing.

My question is--has anyone else tried zapping their cartridge in
the microwave like Watchmen did? Did it work? I already tried all the taping suggestions and got nowhere--this model won't react like the ones mentioned above. With my 2006 Dell AIO I used to be able to just unplug it, and when the low ink warning came onscreen just hit continue and it printed fine. There IS no such bypass on this Lexmark.

Next question is---if I take this hunk of unrefillable junk back to WalMart what on earth printer do I look at buying instead, so
not to run into the same doggone problem???? I'm now seeing people posting that Canon has the same way of thwarting refills....!! Where do I turn now?????
by unknown on Jun 9, 2009 at 8:52am Add comment
According to at least one refilling website the #31 is refillable and will work in both the x2500 and x5650. Guaranteed. For the x2500 the #31 cart holds essentially the same amount of black ink that the #28 holds approx 7 ml. I haven't tried a refilled #31 yet but I intend to.

Also, according to the same website, #37 for the x5650 is refillable too and they plan to carry re-manufactured #37's.

I would hesitate to nuke the cart, you'll boil the ink, clog the thing up and melt the sponges.

Apparently the software sets a switch on their "return program" cartridges making it unusable in any printer on any computer. - opsman000
To the person wanting to put something over the printhead--I went to Office Max and asked what they used while refilling and they used a long piece of tape with a square of clear soft flexible gel on it that you press down onto the printhead and then the tape is pulled tight on each side of the cartridge. The
gel part looks like clear, soft silicone. I asked to buy some and was just handed a half a dozen for free. I don't know if just putting some regular silicone on a piece of tape and letting it dry would do the same thing----it's a possibility!

I bought a Lexmark X5650 for $90 a week ago and only did what seems to me to be a limited amount of printing (this is personal use only) and now a shade over a week later I'm already out of color ink and very unhappy. I noticed the level going down so I
drilled holes in the top and refilled it but it only printed a
few more photos and refuses to print anymore because it's reached it's limit, like all of the above emails have said. So
although the cartridge is full, I get nothing.

My question is--has anyone else tried zapping their cartridge in
the microwave like Watchmen did? Did it work? I already tried all the taping suggestions and got nowhere--this model won't react like the ones mentioned above. With my 2006 Dell AIO I used to be able to just unplug it, and when the low ink warning came onscreen just hit continue and it printed fine. There IS no such bypass on this Lexmark.

Next question is---if I take this hunk of unrefillable junk back to WalMart what on earth printer do I look at buying instead, so
not to run into the same doggone problem???? I'm now seeing people posting that Canon has the same way of thwarting refills....!! Where do I turn now?????
by unknown on Jun 9, 2009 at 9:01am Add comment
opsman000, thanks so much for the input! Yes, what came with the printer are the "return program" cartridges--much to my dismay!
Which website did you find the #31 on?? I'm totally "out of" color right now and live in a rural area, so I'd like to take a
look at their site and prices. Thanks again :) Kathy
by unknown on Jun 9, 2009 at 10:30am Add comment
Let's tell it like it is. I don't have any quams about the Lexmark x2500. I've bought 3 of them. $60 for the 1st one, $30 some dollars for the next 2. Why did I do this? Their scan/copying software is pretty good, the copies are excellent, the black document printing can't be beat. That really is enough. I've scanned hundreds of docs on my x2500 and it is still going strong! I bought backups just for these features. (Actually, I've given 2 of them to my kids since the 1st one shows no signs of letup.)

The printer falls down with pics though. Geez, the paper gets yellow even before you print on it????? Nothing important great! Important pics, no, not great! Plus you pay through the nose for their color cart's. The pics get yellow after you print them.

So, what to do? Keep the printer for the above good points and buy a printer that will print pics.

Enter Kodak's ESP 7. Great, great, great printer!!! Go to CNet and ck my review. http://reviews.cnet.com I think that url will get u there.

Reinking companies. Just google your printer number and ink refills and it should pop up. I don't want to endorse any of these folks without first-hand experience. Since I telling it like it is, I re-inked dot-matrix ink ribbons for years with good success with Computer Friends. I ordered 50-60$ worth of ink to ink re-ink my Lexmark cartridges. Peeled back the labels and no holes. Sent numerous emails for help and advice (I never re-inked ink-jet cartridges before.) and they've completely and totally ignored me. What can I say? Be careful who you put your trust in.

- opsman000
Printing with the #31 cart seems slower than using a 34+35 seperate black and colour.

But the #31s are def refillable and work in the X4550 so may also work in the X5650.

Not sure where you get these in the US but in the UK Tesco do own brand replacements and possibly Walmart/Asda.

I will check some websites.

c+g
by cowandgate on Jun 9, 2009 at 4:26pm Add comment
Thanks again, opsman. I've had to learn so many painfully expensive lesson since I got my first Dell printer in '06, that you'd think it would be my time for at least SOME easy sailing,
but no such thing. I don't have the money to invest in a really
expensive printer, so I tried to settle for something within my
range, and I only end up with different problems. (my Dell died a complete death 5 weeks ago, or I'd still be babying it along. I did buy another Dell, but it croaked on me in 4 weeks, hence the Lexmark) This is all so discouraging. I print LOTS of photos so that was a REALLY big dissappointment cuz they all come out WAAAAAY off-color. Funny, because the scanner/copy part scans and prints color pictures in great colors with no deviation from the original.....why the difference from My Photos from the computer??

I bought inks and aftermarket cartridges from lots of places when I had my Dell, so I've had my share of stinkers, believe me.I could have bought a dozen new printers with what I spent to
learn hard lessons....dummy me....

About there being no holes to refill through--since my Dell cartridges and Lexmark's are nearly identical I just drilled my
own holes like I did with the Dell. Didn't know about the electronics stuff that stops it from being recognized and refusing to print, so I wasted THAT ink. I'm ready to just box this printer back up and take it back to WalMart and buy a different brand somewhere, but I have no idea how to figure out which one! I've gone online and read reviews till my eyeballs almost fell out but am still no wiser about which one will give me what I need......
thanks for listening.....Kathy
by unknown on Jun 9, 2009 at 4:36pm Add comment
I didn't really research your printer number much--it was the first hit that came up on google on firefox. Here's the url:
http://www.ink-refills-ink.com

If you look further into the website you will see that they claim that other cartridge numbers are coming online for your printer.

I checked their guarantee and it looks pretty solid. Just be careful.

The second installment on the Kodak printer saga is that I sent a batch of photos into Fujifilm to make to send to my local drugstore to compare quality. Price was 19 cents for 4x6's. Quality was crap. Kodak rules!!!!!!!!!!!!! - opsman000
Hi,

I have just been reading the posts where someone put their cartridge in the microwave.

Would not the metal in the cartridge lead to a possible fire or other hazard?

If one can use the microwave on low power, could this not be a method for warming the ink internally and relieving blockages.

Thanks
by Anonymous on Jun 10, 2009 at 3:59am Add comment
Forgot to mention.

Someone suggested putting silicone on the printhead prior to storage.

Could this not block the jets?

Thanks
by Anonymous on Jun 10, 2009 at 4:02am Add comment
Hi,

On the question of heating as a possible treatment for blockages.

What about placing the cartridge in a bag and lowering the bag into hot water. The cartridge would remain dry and heat would soften any hard ink.

I was wondering how sensitive the electronics would be to heat. In other words how hot can the water be?

Thanks
by Anonymous on Jun 10, 2009 at 4:27am Add comment
About the silicone---if you'll go back up and read my blog of 6/9
...9am...I was telling about the silicone gel on a tape strip that Office Max uses to block the printhead while refilling
cartridges, and wondered if a person put regular silicone gel on a strip of tape and let it dry thoroughly if that couldn't be used when storing a cartridge.....it would still be flexible.

Or even just find a piece of soft rubber, cut a little square and mount it to the center of an 8" or so strip of tape and pull it tight over the printhead......should work.

Now to opsman--I called the local Best Buy 45 miles from me and they carry the Kodak ESP7, but the young man I talked to of course had no idea if the cartridges for it are refillable or not...any info on that? Do you own one? Can you refill the cart's? Do they still function? Thanks!
by unknown on Jun 10, 2009 at 5:41am Add comment
I bought a Kodak ESP 7 and wrote my experience setting it up and printing with it in a user review on CNET. That was the link in other message. Beautiful pictures.

The ink cartridges for it are 14.99 for color and 9.99 for black. The color cart has c, y, m, and a clear coat. The printer puts a clear coat on the pics. They are saying that the pictures will last 100 years without fading or yellowing. The printer also auto-senses the Kodak paper you are using and adjusts accordingly.

For those reasons and the quality of Kodak I'm not really interested all that much about refilling the carts. I've seen the genuine carts on the net for as low as 12.99. I got 85 full color 4x6's out of the first cart I used.

Best Buy had it on sale for $169. Really a good price for this printer. Wi-Fi, dedicated 4x6 paper tray, etc. - opsman000
The Kodak carts are much much cheaper anyway.

by cowandgate on Jun 10, 2009 at 10:26am Add comment
Hey, thanks so much to both of you for the info :) Like I said,
I'm totally at sea about what kind of printer to get now. When I
checked with Best Buy yesterday the Kodak ESP7 was $199+tax, so
I'd have to wait a while before I could afford one. But I only have a 15-day return on this Lexmark, which is by the 14th, so I need to decide real soon.
That's really a great yield of photos for a color cartridge! Sounds great after running out of ink in 8 days with only a little photo printing with this Lexmark.
You've all been a big help--thanks so much :)
Kathy
by unknown on Jun 10, 2009 at 5:19pm Add comment
So does the Kodak printer only use Kodak paper or can you use standard 80gsm copier bond?

c+g
by cowandgate on Jun 10, 2009 at 7:17pm Add comment
You can use any paper. The Kodak watermark on the back of all your photo prints is pretty cool though. hehe Their paper is good paper. - opsman000
Hi,

I have a Lexmark No 5 colour carridge that came with the printer.

I suspect that it probably has very little ink in it.

Do you think that it would be a good idea to try and fill it before use. Or use it and then try to refill?

Thanks
by Anonymous on Jun 11, 2009 at 4:57am Add comment
Filling it will not make any difference to the printers registering of how much ink there is actually in the cartridge, thats the main objection to Lexmark's role as sole arbiter as to what constitutes a "full" cartridge and what constitutes an "empty" cartridge.

c+g
by cowandgate on Jun 11, 2009 at 7:35am Add comment
Ok,

Thanks

I have wondered what stops the ink just running out of the printhead after a refill, or regarding a new cartridge. Presumably the ink saturates the sponge(s)and the ink is against the printhead/jets. Seems to defy gravity.

Best wishes

A
by Anonymous on Jun 12, 2009 at 2:07am Add comment
Hi,

I recently refilled no. 31. The black appears to be flodding.

I put a couple of cc's less than the maximum volume to take account of of any ink that remains (black and colours).

I don't think that I have overfilled the cartridge (no sign at filling). Any idea what has cuased the black to flood. Could it be air bubbles?

How advisable is it to store the cartridge with the printhead downwards (keep it moist)?

This cartridge came with a clip for storage, should the clip keep the head moist? It is made of plastic, no other materials present.

Thanks
by Anonymous on Jun 14, 2009 at 4:25am Add comment
I think they say leave it 24 hours before use when refilling and not to blot the head with paper etc.

c+g

by cowandgate on Jun 14, 2009 at 5:16am Add comment
Thanks

Best wishes

A
by Anonymous on Jun 14, 2009 at 8:43am Add comment
hye.. i stumble on this forum when searching for the same solution. I've got my lexmark z1320 for free when i buy the acer laptop.(which i am so glad at first). I've asked the promoter over and over if this printer catridge can be refilled. and the answer is yes!! But to my horror it did'nt. I refilled the #28 and the #29 but the printer did not ditech. then i end up buying new catridge.
Then i heard about the refillable #28A and #29A and buy it. when the ink turn low i refilled it and guess what, i did not detech. The printer continue print for a few sheet then it stop. At first i think i might refill wrongly so i buy new #28A and #29A, wait the ink turn low and bring my printer to the computer store and let the technician refilled for me.And yet still the printer cannot detech anything.
I've tried all the solutions in this forum except the pin thing. But nothing happen.... sad but true. Thinking of buying old canon which refilled friendly coze i heard from fren that they cannot refill the latest canon pixma. The problem is, i search the computer store for it but did not found one...
by unknown on Jun 15, 2009 at 7:27am Add comment
The fact is that its Lexmark who determine a) When a cartridge is "empty" and b) when its been refilled. Its a license to print money for them, although if they used their own printers it might end up costing more in ink than the currency was worth!

c+g
by cowandgate on Jun 15, 2009 at 7:33pm Add comment
I got disgusted with the brand new Lexmark AIO 5650 running out of color in one week of light printing, and the photos looking just awful, and took it back to WalMart. A friend gave me an older Lexmark AIO X1185, but it had sat around so long the cart's were all dried out and no amount of soaking would resurrect them, even though I refilled them, and it will "print" away and kick out blank white paper! At least I know it will still try to print after refilling.

If anyone ever runs across a Dell AIO 942 would you PLEASE let me know--I'll happily buy it! I can't find one anywhere on eBay
or Amazon......That printer at least can have the cartridges refilled and it will still print just fine. I just wish mine hadn't croaked on me a month and half ago.

Thanks everybody! Kathy
by unknown on Jun 15, 2009 at 8:09pm Add comment
I've enjoyed reading the responses, except when people forget to use their printer model in it. What works for some won't work for others. I can say from experience that a #31 can't be refilled at home and work in an X5250. I purchased a remanufactured #35 from inkgrabber and it won't work. They agreed to RMA, I guess I'll see if they will let me exchange it for a high-yield OEM since there are so many remfg that won't work.

Keep trying to find a solution. I have had this X5250 for 3 years, I guess if it costs around $60 a year to use it's not bad for an AIO. Thats what a pair of OEM carts cost if you look around. Funny thing is most sites have their competitors ads up, if you look around you can save 20\% from one site to the next.
by unknown on Jun 19, 2009 at 7:22pm Add comment
Back again---I went online and found TWO EACH large capacity #16 and #26 color and black remanufactured cartridges for that Lexmark AIO 5650 for only $34 including shipping!!! That figures out to $8.50 apiece for cartridges WalMart wants $23 & $25 +tax
for! I received them in 3 days, popped them in this second hand
printer and they work just fine!! Printed good color photos and great black documents! I got them from InkMarts, Inc. in Gladstone, Oregon, if anyone else is interested. They were even double sealed with one plastic shrink-wrap and then inside another plastic envelope. We'll see if they refill and work after they run dry.....I'm going to hunt up all the old Dell and Lexmark printers I can get my hands on and just stash them away so when each one finally dies I still have one in reserve that can be refilled.
Oh, by the way, when I got this printer from a friend he couldn't find the CD to load in my computer, so I just went on
Lexmark's official site and was able to download the CD contents for free---don't get ripped off by any "aftermarket" sites that want you to pay $30++ to download the software. That's what I ran into first.
We'll outsmart these companies and their newfangled printers yet. Just keep finding those older printers and refuse to buy their new ones!
Have a great day! Kathy
by unknown on Jun 19, 2009 at 7:47pm Add comment
I need to correct my previous statement. Although the printer doesn't recognize the cart I purchased as a remfg unit, it does print. I also dug up an old black cart, not sure which # because it was previously refilled, put more ink in and the printer recognized it.

So the #31 would not print black after refilling. But I apparently had a black cartridge that was made before the chips were installed, if thats possible. It shows the correct level and everything.

by unknown on Jun 20, 2009 at 2:52pm Add comment
Hey guys, do you all know how to tape lexmark #15 color cartridge?
by unknown on Jun 22, 2009 at 6:40am Add comment
Define "tape", please? Did you take the top off?
by unknown on Jun 22, 2009 at 6:59am Add comment
i mean use cellotape to top off.
by Anonymous on Jun 22, 2009 at 7:19am Add comment
hmmmmm, I'm still not clear on what you're referring to....do you want to seal the printhead for storage?..... Or seal the top where you drilled holes and refilled it???......
by unknown on Jun 22, 2009 at 8:47am Add comment
Hi Folks, well the #37A cartridge I refilled seems to be holding up, I have noticed that the red seems very dull, I've tried several cart cleans & printed test pages and the cyan, yellow and magenta all print well so I don't know whats going on there! As a side note I have noticed that the Lexmark printers are going for peanuts on eBay, so by charging excessive amounts for the ink they are building a bad reputation for themselves, I certainly will never buy a Lexmark again.
by lexmark-ater on Jun 22, 2009 at 11:21am Add comment
I think no solution works because the seriall numbers of each cardridge are stored in the printer (at least with the newer versions)
What we shoud do is make a adress where everyone sends its empty cardridges. Then distribute them to others who need te same cardridge.

Then after anyone recieves a empty cardridge (which isn't been used in ther printer, can refill it and it should work)
by unknown on Jun 22, 2009 at 2:36pm Add comment
To mrspcs, That was tried. If you look back thru the messaging once the switch is set on a cartridge it can't be used on any computer or operating system.

A very interesting message is from Bama where an old cartridge was used successfully. The question would be, "Can other cartridges be used other than those specified?" Maybe. Of course the task of finding out is beyond the resources of most users.

- opsman000
can i just top off some pin on lexmark #15? And the printer can just print without warning?
by Anonymous on Jun 22, 2009 at 5:00pm Add comment
Taping off the pins has been tried with some success for certain cartridges and printers (see the above experiences on this site), but my experience with the new Lexmark 5650 was that it didn't work, no matter which pins I taped off. I just took the darn printer back to WalMart and got my money back. I'll never go near a NEW Lexmark again---I'd like to hang signs all over them warning people off, if I could get away with it! I think in
the long run Lexmark is going to find they committed printer suicide with their so-called "smart" ideas.
by unknown on Jun 22, 2009 at 5:34pm Add comment
so, is there a solution?
by Anonymous on Jun 22, 2009 at 10:12pm Add comment
Other than just returning it to where you bought it, or selling it to some other poor unsuspecting person? If you've gone clear up to the top of this thread and read the last two years worth of experimenting and research done by people who are really, really good at electronics, you'll see that the usual solution consists of just getting rid of the newer printer---and either buying some other brand, or going back to finding an older printer that will still read the cartridges once they're refilled. It's a tough situation, once you've invested the money in a new one, and if you're beyond the return date.....wish I could be of more help, but that's about where it stands right now. Maybe Lexmark will someday wise up, but by then they'll have no customers left that will touch their printers.......
by unknown on Jun 22, 2009 at 10:38pm Add comment
Hi,

Ref Lexmark Z 2390 (Carts no 4 (black); 5 (colour)).

I have just worked out that I am printing black from the colour cart, not from the black cart.

I have the black cart re-filled (and flowing)and the botton two contacts on the RHS (looking at the contacts)taped.

When removing the colour cart and attemting to print black text, I get nothing at all.

I am using winprint as the print processor.

Any other taping suggestions that might make the black cart work.

Thnaks
by Anonymous on Jun 23, 2009 at 4:53am Add comment
No, taping the contacts results in the cart not being recognised.

One thing that puzzles me though, in the printers that can take a "Photo" cart why does it go were the Black cart usually sits when it resembles a colour cart?

I have noticed when the Photo cart is in use it prints about half speed, possibly because its being used to print black as well.

So a black replacement cart is what is required that can be refilled (the type 31 Photo re-manufactured ones CAN be refilled).

c+g
by cowandgate on Jun 23, 2009 at 6:29am Add comment
Out of curiousity, C+G, have you actually bought one of the #31's and refilled it and had it work? I think somewhere in the above thread someone mentioned buying one, refilling it, and the printer refused to recognize it......have you been able to do so?
What model printer did you use it in?
thanks, Kathy
by unknown on Jun 23, 2009 at 6:43am Add comment
KathyM, Apparently if your printer can take a #31 cart then remanufactured ones can be used, here in the UK is a company on the net selling them pretty cheap;
http://www.cartridgeshop.co.uk/Catalog/4379/x4650.html
I expect they can be purchased in the US for even less than this company sell them (£9.49 each for 3+) approx $15 US each. - lexmark-ater
Isn't that illegal? I mean for lexmark to install something that would constrain the user to use lexmark OEM cartridges only?
by jackTB on Jun 23, 2009 at 10:14am Add comment
jackTB---there's something further up in this thread about the legalities--someone mentioned Lexmark having been taken to court over something about this, if I remember right. If you read thru this whole thread you'll see the problems and attempted solutions to this whole Lexmark printer fiasco....
by unknown on Jun 23, 2009 at 10:36am Add comment
Thanks for the info, Lexmark-ater, but I took the printer back that could have used that #31 and got my money back! Since then someone gave me an older Lexmark X1185, that WILL let me refill and reuse the cartridges. I'm going to collect all the older Dell and Lexmark printers I can find, just to have around for when this one finally croaks on me :) All those older ones can
be refilled and still recognize the cartridge and will still print.....
Thanks, though! Appreciate the email! :) Kathy
by unknown on Jun 23, 2009 at 12:43pm Add comment

Hi I've had my X4650 for nearly a year now and although I could take it back it would be too much hassle, so I intend to buy a Kodak ESP7 (I just cant be doing with USB cables etc!) when this printer packs up, I was toying with putting it on ebay but as one only sold for £1.04 the other day I don't think so!!
by lexmark-ater on Jun 23, 2009 at 1:18pm Add comment
Lexmark-ater--(laughing) no I wouldn't be selling a printer for that price either--that's ridiculous---but it goes to show how worthless they are on the open market!! I wish one of the big TV networks would do an exposé on these companies and the big ink
ripoff--wouldn't it be fun to see them exposed?!! :)
kathy
by unknown on Jun 23, 2009 at 7:50pm Add comment
Hi,

I tried refilling no 31, but the cartridge is still seen as empty.

by Anonymous on Jun 24, 2009 at 4:30am Add comment
Hi,
Well I refilled my #37A it shows as empty, in fact I keep getting a message from lexmark telling me its empty, but I just press close on the message & print on! - lexmark-ater
Anonymous--is the #31 still printing even though the printer reads it as empty? Can you bypass the refusal to print? I'm interested to see if those #31's still can be used when refilled...
by unknown on Jun 24, 2009 at 4:48am Add comment
I have to wonder if the reason the black cart I put in my X5250 worked is because of the limited # of carts the printer remembers. I wish I could figure out the #, but it had a refill label on it. All it said was Black and showed where to inject the ink. But after trying several old ones it recognized the cart and showed the correct ink level. So if you have several old carts maybe swapping them a few time confuses the software into recognizing them.
by unknown on Jun 24, 2009 at 1:08pm Add comment

I tried refilling no 31, but the cartridge is still seen as empty.


You need a remanufactured #31 for it to work

c+g
by cowandgate on Jun 24, 2009 at 2:02pm Add comment
Hi,

What is the difference between a re-manufactured 31 and my refilled 31?

Thanks

Has anyone had any success in using an alternative driver?
by Anonymous on Jun 24, 2009 at 4:06pm Add comment
I dont know but the remanufactured ones do not seem to have any indication of how much ink they contain, just a constant low indication but still print.

c+g
by cowandgate on Jun 24, 2009 at 4:18pm Add comment
The remfg one I got is not even recognized, but it still prints. Thats all that matters to me.
by unknown on Jun 24, 2009 at 5:58pm Add comment
Its difficult to find carts that will work in a lot of the printers that I believe are affected by this [Lexmark Patent] scheme.

There are some listed here but it may not be cost effective to orde them from the US but I am sure there must be some US suppliers with the same carts.

These ones are made in the EU/UK:-

#34 Black £10.99

This item is compatible with:

* X2500 / X2510
* X2530
* X2550
* X3500
* X3530 / X3550
* X4500
* X4530 / X4550
* X4550 Business Edition

* X5070 / X5075
* X5490
* X5495
* Z1300
* Z1310
* Z1320
* Z1400 / Z1410 / Z1420
* Z1450

http://www.cartridgepeople.com

See also

Further Information

Cartridge life span: These ink cartridges contain and deliver the maximum ink level of 24ml

Quality: High quality compatible inkjet cartridges, offering great results at a significant saving.
Lifetime Guarantee backed by our 'no quibble' policy. Made in the UK/EU with high quality German Ink, holding ISO9001 certification for quality, and ensuring a superior product via the supervision of UK engineers.

This cartridge is often inserted in place of the black cartridge widening the colour spectrum available and giving extra enhancement to colour and photo printing. Check your printer manual for full details.

Replaces: #31 / 18C0031e £10.99

Manufacturer: Compatible
This item is compatible with:

* Home Copier Plus
* P4250
* P4310
* P4330
* P4350
* P4360
* P6210
* P6220
* P6230
* P6240
* P6250
* P6260
* P6270
* P6280
* P6290
* P6350
* P6356
* P900
* P910 / P915
* X2500 / X2510
* X2530
* X2550
* X2600 / X2650
* X2620
* X3300
* X3310
* X3315
* X3330
* X3340
* X3350
* X3380
* X3500
* X3530 / X3550
* X3630
* X3650
* X4300
* X4530 / X4550
* X4550 Business Edition
* X4630
* X4650

* X5070 / X5075
* X5200
* X5250
* X5260
* X5270
* X5400 / X5410
* X5450
* X5470
* X5470 Business Edition
* X5490
* X5495
* X5650
* X6650 / X6675
* X7100 Series
* X7170
* X7300 / X7350
* X7310
* X7350 Business Edition
* X8300 Series
* X8310 / X8350
* X8350 Business Edition
* Z1300
* Z1310
* Z1320
* Z1400 / Z1410 / Z1420
* Z2300 / Z2320
* Z2310 / Z2390
* Z2400
* Z2410
* Z2420
* Z2490
* Z800
* Z805
* Z810
* Z812
* Z815
* Z816
* Z818
* Z845

http://www.cartridgepeople.com

c+g
by cowandgate on Jun 25, 2009 at 1:01am Add comment
Hi,

Thanks for the info.

I printed a test page with the no 5 (colour) and no 31 (photo) installed.

I got two black parallel lines at the top.

A, B, C look like cyan

D, E, F, G are black

No yellow or magenta.

Can you explain these phenomena, I can't

Best wishes

A
by Anonymous on Jun 25, 2009 at 4:05am Add comment
What model printer?

c+g
by cowandgate on Jun 25, 2009 at 4:20pm Add comment
Z 2390
by Anonymous on Jun 26, 2009 at 1:59am Add comment
The Lexmark website says of the Z2390

"Cartridge Compatibility:

Black: 4(1), 4A,â—� Color: 5(1),5A, â—� Photo: 31

(1) Non-refillable cartridge licensed for single use only. Return empty cartridge only to Lexmark for remanufacturing, refilling or recycling. A variable amount of ink remains when this cartridge must be replaced. Replacement cartridges (4A , 5A) sold without those terms are available through www.lexmark.com

(2) Printing in draft mode and excluding time to first page print. Black print speed requires purchase of optional black cartridge. Visit www.lexmark.com for details."

http://www.lexmark.com

There only seem to be the #31 available here in the UK

http://www.cartridgepeople.com/Catalog/4386/z2310---z2390.html

But it does confirm what I thought, using the Left Hand slot for the #31 makes that the print head for black if the RHS slot is colour but it prints more slowly. What is not clear is which cart is being used for colour printing when the #31 is present?

c+g
by cowandgate on Jun 26, 2009 at 3:17am Add comment
The #31 cartridge has black ink, light cyan, and light magenta. The claim is that when printing color the printer is using 6 different inks.

It's interesting that Amazon reports that all the inks in the #31 cartridge are pigmented inks. (This is a new claim, apparently from Lexmark, that this combination of pigmented and dye based inks make for superior prints.--How's that for "snake oil"?

The black ink in the #28 cartridge is pigmented. The color inks in the #35, supposedly the same as #29 only more ink, are dye based inks.

According to what I've read dye based inks don't hold up as well as pigmented inks. - opsman000
This is one of the funniest threads i've read on this site. The guys here at work had a pretty good time reading (some of) it.

Lexmark controls their cartridges, this isn't new - they went to court over it a few times (and recently lost the prebate war). Each cartridge has a serial number attached so no matter what machine you put in it, it can read it's end of life counter.

You have no idea what spyware is. Spyware collects information for malicious purposes. It's not like the information is being sent anywhere - and what would they do with knowing what your printer serial number is? lol (see: netmon and regmon programs to monitor) When you install a printer driver, it's a full-duplex connection - the machines talk to each other and reads how much life is left / etc. Freaking out about having a cartridge serial number on your pc and calling it spyware is laughable at best - next we'll have aliens controlling lexmark (everyone break out their tinfoil hats!)

The reason they have a counter on the cartridges, is because the print head is on the cartridge and has a maximum limit to which they will warrant the print head. If you put more ink in the cartridge, than the printhead will most likely fail before you actually get to use the ink you refilled it with.

Good luck with your witch hunt.. you can just buy something inferior like an epson/whatever (which historically has the printhead on the carridge assy, and it dies prematurely)
HP typically are more re-fill friendly (no counters) but once again, when you're not using the ink the printhead was designed for, you can run into a lot of problems.
by Rison on Jun 26, 2009 at 7:33am Add comment
TYPICAL GUARANTEE from some reinking sites:

Congratulations on purchasing the finest remanufactured ink jet cartridges available. Many steps are taken to insure your satisfaction. However sometimes problems occur with any print cartridge, new or remanufactured. If this happens the buyer is encouraged to take advantage of this warranty. XXX brand remanufactured cartridges are guaranteed to print as well, and last at least as long as a new cartridge of the same type by the original manufacturer. The guarantee is for a time period not to exceed ninety days. Cartridges with less than twenty-five percent of the ink remaining will not be considered for warranty replacement. Cartridges that fail due to an electrical surge are not covered as that is beyond the control of the seller. Unused cartridges may be returned for a refund less a 25\% restocking fee.

If you think your cartridge is eligible for warranty replacement, contact the seller at: supportXXX.com for instructions. Upon authorization you will need to send the cartridge along with your name and address, proof of purchase (the invoice), a description of the problem, and a copy of the email authorization.

ANYONE SEE ANY WRONG WITH THIS "GUARANTEE"?
by opsman000 on Jun 26, 2009 at 7:34am Add comment
Rison---so what's your recommendation as far as a printer that will give excellent color photos, and hopefully still be refillable????? Some have recommended Kodak's newer "cheap ink"
printers, but when one goes online and starts reading the feedback on these printers you get a mixed bag of "excellent" to
"don't ever buy one of these pieces of absolute junk!!" Where does that leave those of us who want to cheaply keep doing a lot
of printing, especially good color photos??????
by unknown on Jun 26, 2009 at 7:46am Add comment
Hi Kathy, I have been on other forums and it seems that a good alternative to the Kodak ESP range is the Epson Stylus SX range for cheap ink carts- worth checking out if you want a new printer, just in case the old ones you are collecting clap out completely
by lexmark-ater on Jun 26, 2009 at 3:38pm Add comment
To Rison

"This is one of the funniest threads i've read on this site. The guys here at work had a pretty good time reading (some of) it."

Its the humour of desperation and the comedy of errors...

"Lexmark controls their cartridges, this isn't new - they went to court over it a few times (and recently lost the prebate war). Each cartridge has a serial number attached so no matter what machine you put in it, it can read it's end of life counter."

If you read the above posts we concluded that there is a chip in each cartridge and a memory in the printer. Remanufactured carts have these reset or disabled but not all carts work in all printer types.

"You have no idea what spyware is. Spyware collects information for malicious purposes. It's not like the information is being sent anywhere - and what would they do with knowing what your printer serial number is?"

The printer software installed on the PC sends the cart serial printer serial and amount of usage to Lexmark via the net. Thats spyware in my book.

" lol (see: netmon and regmon programs to monitor) When you install a printer driver, it's a full-duplex connection - the machines talk to each other and reads how much life is left / etc. Freaking out about having a cartridge serial number on your pc and calling it spyware is laughable at best - next we'll have aliens controlling lexmark (everyone break out their tinfoil hats!)"

As above, its communicating with Lexmarks servers each time you print anything, thats Spying. Aliens would probably have more respect for us poor earthlings!

"The reason they have a counter on the cartridges, is because the print head is on the cartridge and has a maximum limit to which they will warrant the print head. If you put more ink in the cartridge, than the printhead will most likely fail before you actually get to use the ink you refilled it with."

Absolutely NOT true! There are many on here who will tell you you can refill this type of integrated cartridge dozens of times, and in fact the recyled ones are sold as "new" by Lexmark themselves.

"Good luck with your witch hunt.. you can just buy something inferior like an epson/whatever (which historically has the printhead on the carridge assy, and it dies prematurely)
HP typically are more re-fill friendly (no counters) but once again, when you're not using the ink the printhead was designed for, you can run into a lot of problems."

For your information both HP and Epson have separate print heads from the cartridges. The HP ones are replaceable in some models but the Epson ones are not, not easily anyway.

c+g
by cowandgate on Jun 26, 2009 at 4:20pm Add comment
Spying. Actually, I want the vendors/manufacturers to spy on me to see how their products/services are working. If I run into problems they know about it and correct it. Most vendors/manufacturers are pretty up front about it. Some aren't. The bottom line is that if you really like the goods or services and that particuliar vendor spies on you you have to accept it or not use those goods or services. There are limits but if you use the Internet you have to assume that your computer is an "open book". The alternative is to not use the Internet.

We haven't seen anything yet though! Wait until RFID goes into full swing if it hasn't already! If you aren't aware of what RFID is do some research. - opsman000
There may be a good reason the "taping contacts" strategy falls down.

The following HP patent about print heads helps shed some light on how these work:-

http://www.howstuffworks.com

In the description it states:-

"It is, therefore, a principal object of the invention to provide an identification circuit in an integrated circuit printhead of an ink jet printer while minimizing or eliminating additional interconnect pads on the print cartridge."

So, in other words the SAME contacts that operate the inkjet heater/bubble mechanism are also multiplexed with the chips that identify/count usage so trying to disable one results in the other not working as well, ie a non working print head.

Just a thought.

c+g
by cowandgate on Jun 26, 2009 at 4:36pm Add comment
All of this is intresting but who really gives a fat rat's fanny about anything except a resolution to the problem of being able to refill and reuse ink cartridges in these machines.
by unknown on Jun 26, 2009 at 7:24pm Add comment
I have the solution

DON'T REMOVE THE CARTRIDGE

I exposed the ink cartridges and then unlugged the machine then without removing the cartridge drilled a hole in the cartridge and then refilled re-covering the hole with a tape

Now for the colour????????
by Anonymous on Jun 27, 2009 at 3:33am Add comment
I would have thought that the cartridge would just continue to count down and stop?
by Anonymous on Jun 27, 2009 at 4:18am Add comment
The black cartridge works fine I have refilled this three times

The colour I have removed the top from a old cartridge under the top are six chambers I have have idetified the three chambers and drilled three holes in the old top using this as a template I have placed the old top with the three hole on top of a colour cartridge which is still in the printer using the hole I have located the require chambers and drilled access points without removing the cartridge refilled and covered the holes with sticky tape, switched the machine back on and it works fine, the printer does not recognise that the cartridge has been refilled when commanded to print the voice activates and informs you that the cartridge is low just press continue each time - Anonymous
Nice one!

Do you have any pics of the carts and the layouts with the cart # ?

It would would help quite a few to locate the right colour chambers to refill.

c+g
by cowandgate on Jun 27, 2009 at 7:54am Add comment
Hey, I've tested most software thats installed onto PC's as far as printer drivers are concerned, and have not seen any information sent to Lexmark. Download the program Netmon - it monitors your tcp/udp ports for information, which you can parse to a log file and review. Install the lexmark drivers and watch it - I did it on a cheap x6650 we have in shop and nothing was recorded. All the information of cartridges / page counts / etc is stored locally on the machine, but did not see anything outgoing (yes, I have an active connection to the internet, i'm obviously posting online). I find most people post things they haven't tried for themselves - i'm not saying your machine isn't specfically sending anything, but the models i've worked on have not.

Most HP cartridges I see have the printhead on the cartridge. Epson historically has had the printhead on the carriage, which is why most ppl reccomended HP/Lexmark over Epson.
I dont exactly see all the HP printers out there, I try to stay away from home-based crap.. and as a service depot we don't see a lot of the "under $200" stuff anyways. But most typically, HP were the ones to have an integrated printhead on the cartridge. And yes, their answer to the reman ink question, is that their print heads have a limited life span - thats why you see so many reman cartridge fail. (and lol @ their "warranty" - are they going to clean/fix your printer when they leak all over the place?... no)

Anywho, as I said.. good luck with your quest, however for the lower end market I have nothing to reccomend, because in my eyes, it's all crap. :)
by Rison on Jun 29, 2009 at 7:24am Add comment
The places the customer service connect service communicates with are the following IPs/domains:-

192.146.101.142 lxkcc1.lexmark.com
12.88.94.10
199.191.128.105
12.127.16.69

Blocking all the above in your Firewall will block all access to any Lexmark sites. You will need to block communications in BOTH directions.

If you stop the service in Windows it stops it printing.

ian
by cowandgate on Jun 29, 2009 at 9:30am Add comment
Hi!
In your opinions,can I refill a #34 cartridge, succesfully? I hope that my printer, Z1300 will recognize it.
I have #28, but the printer's software says that it is empty, but I refilled that....
by almos on Jun 30, 2009 at 1:44pm Add comment
from almos,
Hi!
In your opinions,can I refill a #34 cartridge, succesfully? I hope that my printer, Z1300 will recognize it.
I have #28, but the printer's software says that it is empty, but I refilled that....
----------------------------------------------------------

I just refilled the #28 black cartridge and it works too. I couldn't refill the #29 color cartridge and get it to work.

I took the #29 out of the printer and am using the #28 by itself (left cartridge). I get a missing cartridge message but I ignore it.

The original #28 (pretty sure it's a return program cart, just says 28 on it) ran out of ink printing (white pages). I took the cartridge out and peeled back the label from the top (didn't completely remove) and exposed a large sealed hole. I drilled it out with an 1/8" bit and put 6 ml of ink in it, slowly. I pushed label back down over the hole and put little scotch tape over it to make sure it stayed.

I put the cartridge in the printer and it still printed a white alignment page. Took it out, made a small pad with a paper towel, wetted the paper towel and kept blotting the print head until the black ink flowed. Put it back in the printer and printed the alignment page and scanned successfully.

When I print I get:
Print Cartridge Missing -- click continue
Was getting "Not Lexmark Ink Message -- click continue
(After printing about 5 pages separately, I don't get that message anymore. It just prints as usual.)

I have #35 color cartridge but haven't put it in yet. I want to print with just the #28 for awhile.

No need to purchase a #34 cartridge but I assume it can be refilled.

- opsman000
Hi

Just a quick heads up for people buying remanufactured cartridges.
I have a x4550. I purchased 2 black & 2 colour "compatible" cartridges from www.memorybits.co.uk. They did not work the printer just displayed Right Cartridge Incorrect / Left Cartridge Incorrect. I returned the cartrigdes to memorybits today.

I did find a firmware upgrade for the x4550 which didn't fix my problem but it might help someone out there you can get it here ...

http://lexmarkanswers.blogspot.com/

cheers


by unknown on Jun 30, 2009 at 2:16pm Add comment
to Rison---I feel it's quite unfair to scoff at those of us who cannot afford an over $200 printer (I've paid that much for some of my cars!) and who HAVE to buy, as you put it, "crap" because we cannot afford anything more but still make use of computers and printers on a regular basis. We're simply trying to find a solution to a problem that the printer companies have dumped in
our lap because they refuse to sell new cartridges at a price we can afford. We're not a bunch of looney-tunes trying to outwit
them--we just want to find low priced ink along with a printer that will do a decent job. We know very well what a huge profit margin they're making on a tiny amount of ink, and don't feel it's fair to gouge us so badly. For those of us who have the brains to refill our own cartridges (which are relatively few,
compared to the overall market) why not just LET us???? We're only a drop in the bucket.....
Kathy
by unknown on Jun 30, 2009 at 2:51pm Add comment
I agree with you Kathy. I have spent so much money on #29 color cartridges for my <200$ x2500 that it is scary. Makes that inexpensive printer pretty expensive. Probably in the >200$ class now. lol. In the defense of the printer though it is a class printer. A new print head with ink for 20 bucks can't be scoffed at. But do we really need a new print head each time we need ink? - opsman000
Scottw67

I too have a X4550 that has that issue with some remanufactured carts. Some of the #24 #34 #35 types DO work but its hit and miss trying to buy them, most ink suppliers do not have a clue.

The only ones that consistently seem to work (but permanently indicate ink is low) are the ones from http://www.krystalinkz.co.uk/ as mentioned above.

Most of the #31 photo carts seem to work in the X4550, again always indicating low ink level so always giving that warning but nonetheless keeps on printing. The only problem with using the photo carts is it prints more slowly even in draft mode.

Thanks for the download link, maybe someone with the knowhow can disassemble the code and patch it so that it does not care what ink carts you fit and how full or empty they are!

c+g




by cowandgate on Jun 30, 2009 at 7:40pm Add comment
c+g

thanks for the info & the link.
since realising i'd bought a turkey with the x4550 i've looked into driver side of things and i'm pretty certain its the firmware of the printer that is the issue.

A few weeks ago I managed to get a print job sent to the printer. Windows said it had printed without error but all i got from the printer was a blank sheet of paper. My conclusion was no matter how much i "played" with drivers it was the firmware that was refusing to print.

modifying the firmware is a little out of my league but if anyone out there can help it might be worth a luck.

Another idea ... I've read that lexmark printers have a Maintenance mode. You hold down a number of buttons while booting and you get an engineers menu. Its just a guess but maybe you could reset the printer so it forgets the cartridges its used.

cheers
by unknown on Jul 2, 2009 at 3:33pm Add comment
Dont know about the maintenance mode, I assume someone would have mentioned it by now if it existed.

The firmware looks interesting, once you open up the archive (7 zip does ok up to that point) its in compressed format. The archive contains the utilities to upload via USB etc and the Flash memory file itself. Only problem is it appears to be compressed using ZLIB and I cant find anything to decompress it so that it might be disassembled, I assume ZLIB supports some kind of encryption as well as compression.

Any experts on ZLIB compression/encryption out there can help?

The flash file on its own is here

http://rapidshare.com/files/251248707/Flash.fls

anyone who want to look at it.

c+g
by cowandgate on Jul 2, 2009 at 5:13pm Add comment
KathyM:
I didn't mean to come off as a "prim and proper" high and mighty voice of sarcasm as you can take my posts.
I've worked on low to high end machines for 14-15 years now, and have become rather blunted to how the industry has shifted in the home market. I see people purchasing $60 machines and wanting $10 ink cartridges and complain frantically when I tell them their machine is no longer under warranty.. or damaged beyond (reasonable) repair.. or how I think of it as.. "crap".

If you use your inkjet machine to such a level that you're needing to find refills on a weekly/monthly basis - you should simply look at the cost of a low-end laser over the long term.

For example the HP CP1215 color laser printer. Costs about $300 (sometimes cheaper with instant savings or Mail in Rebates). Cartridge lasts for 2200 pages black / 1400 pages color. Costs about $70 per cartridge - which, honestly is the cost of some ink cartridges that yeild 2-400 pages. In the long run, you have a "more reliable" machine. (reliability is debateable.. but for home market = it's good)

I'm not against people refilling their cartridges, I just wish they would stop bringing them into my shop and expecting miracles. :)
by Rison on Jul 3, 2009 at 6:48am Add comment
Hello!
I got the answer of my problem!!!
You can reset the lexmark's chip pressing his button (ON/OFF) 10-15s, after that the printer will print a few dates about his status, and will see the ink level :)

Good luck for all!

Almos
by Anonymous on Jul 3, 2009 at 7:07am Add comment
Rison---thanks for the reply--I can appreciate becoming jaded with people expecting more than an inexpensive machine will deliver, having worked for several years in a small appliance repair shop, fixing shavers, mixers, vacuums, etc---I'm not asking for the printer itself to live longer, just not rigging
the cartridges so that those relatively few of us that can refill our own cartridges be allowed to do so.
I would LOVE to be able to afford a laser printer---are the cartridges for them refillable? At $300 for the printer itself, then $70 a pop for cartridges I just could NEVER afford one! So I'm stuck on the low end of the market....and the ensuing problems thereof..... :(
by unknown on Jul 6, 2009 at 7:01am Add comment
My experience of laser printers is they always jam up. I spent many years as an IT professional and by far the largest number of call outs was for jammed laser printers.

c+g
by cowandgate on Jul 6, 2009 at 2:14pm Add comment
c+g--thanks! good to get some feedback--was it all the same brand, or many different makes????
by unknown on Jul 6, 2009 at 2:26pm Add comment
Hi Kathy,
There are loads of really cheap printers on eBay, so why don't you look on there to see what you can get in your budget then check online to see if the carts are refillable! Simples compare the meerkat ( a joke for UK readers of this forum!)
by lexmark-ater on Jul 6, 2009 at 3:59pm Add comment
I thought I'd better explain that joke here's the link;
http://www.comparethemeerkat.com/my-tv-ads
by lexmark-ater on Jul 6, 2009 at 4:10pm Add comment
Digg the Meerkats!

By far and away the largest number of laser printers are HP, so naturally they were the worst for jams, but I dont really have any proof any other brand is better, we just had all HPs.

c+g
by cowandgate on Jul 7, 2009 at 1:05am Add comment
Almos,

Congrats on fixing the problem. I think this is what I must have done a few months ago.

John
by Anonymous on Jul 7, 2009 at 7:39pm Add comment
Turning the printer on/off does not reset the chip in the cartridge.

We have already established this.

c+g
by cowandgate on Jul 7, 2009 at 8:19pm Add comment
Lexmark has been told legally several times to stop enforceing the ink money grab, but I see no relief in sight. Any ideas? Is there a new driver, hacked or otherwise, for X2530 that lets the owner refill his own carts? If not, I'm about to trash this thing which seems to be the wrong thing to do considering the economic and ecological waste involved. Plus, I'm still unsure that I can buy a replacement cart or printer that allows me to refill my carts. The Lexmark "A" carts seem to be "vapour ware". ("Lies" for those who don't understand computer jargon.)
by unknown on Jul 19, 2009 at 9:14am Add comment
The way it looks at the moment is that the all black cartridges that fit in the left side of your printer can be refilled.

The "prebated" ie discounted color cartridges for the right side of your printer can't be refilled.

So, you should buy either an "a" cartridge which you can't buy or a high yield cartridge such as the #35. Supposedly this cart can be refilled and there are reputable sites that guarantee their refilled #35. I haven't refilled it yet but am about to.

It also appears that the photo cartridges can be refilled. ie 31

Hope this helps.

- opsman000
if you set the Lexmark GUI to display in the Systray rather than a window, its less annoying than having to look at pictures of empty cartridges when you know they are not,ie the #31 remanudactured ones.

I know when they are empty, I do not need Lexmark to tell me when!

c+g
by cowandgate on Jul 19, 2009 at 12:13pm Add comment
Please confirm that the left hand black cart can be refilled even if not "A" version. I understand that attempts to fill this cart also fail. It may appear as if the refill is working, but the reality is that the $\%\%^& printer is using the color cart to print blacks. Very wasteful......

PS
I'm using a X2530 with 28/29 carts. I understand the 28A and 29A are refillable, but I can't find them in my local shops and they are listed at Lexmark at even a more humongous price. Will a #35 work in my printer? What about the color cart?
by unknown on Jul 19, 2009 at 6:11pm Add comment
I really amazed myself when I refilled this cart. 5 minutes from drilling hole, filling cart, putting in machine, and printing alignment page. No mess, no fuss.

The message is online a few messages back. Here's a copy:
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Re: Re: Lexmark Using Inkjet Cartridge Chips AND Spywa by opsman000 (7/1/09 10:55 AM) reply edit + / -
from almos,
Hi!
In your opinions,can I refill a #34 cartridge, succesfully? I hope that my printer, Z1300 will recognize it.
I have #28, but the printer's software says that it is empty, but I refilled that....
----------------------------------------------------------

I just refilled the #28 black cartridge and it works too. I couldn't refill the #29 color cartridge and get it to work.

I took the #29 out of the printer and am using the #28 by itself (left cartridge). I get a missing cartridge message but I ignore it.

The original #28 (pretty sure it's a return program cart, just says 28 on it) ran out of ink printing (white pages). I took the cartridge out and peeled back the label from the top (didn't completely remove) and exposed a large sealed hole. I drilled it out with an 1/8" bit and put 6 ml of ink in it, slowly. I pushed label back down over the hole and put little scotch tape over it to make sure it stayed.

I put the cartridge in the printer and it still printed a white alignment page. Took it out, made a small pad with a paper towel, wetted the paper towel and kept blotting the print head until the black ink flowed. Put it back in the printer and printed the alignment page and scanned successfully.

When I print I get:
Print Cartridge Missing -- click continue
Was getting "Not Lexmark Ink Message -- click continue
(After printing about 5 pages separately, I don't get that message anymore. It just prints as usual.)

I have #35 color cartridge but haven't put it in yet. I want to print with just the #28 for awhile.

No need to purchase a #34 cartridge but I assume it can be refilled.

=============================================================
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ps.
I'm using a x2500 which uses the same cartridges your printer uses.

The pitfall that we all seem to go through is that we are reluctant to buy other cartridges than the #29 in this case because of the cost.

I would assume that the #35 will work in your printer. Easy to find out just google it and look at what cartridges work in the printer. At any rate if you have a #28 cartridge you can refill it. #29, you can't.
- opsman000
I called Lexmark tech services, and they freely admit using a chip in all of their products to limit the cartridges to new Lexmark brand items. They say it is because they use a "special high grade ink" and that "lesser inks could cause damage to the printer". BS! I have had multiple brands of printers and they all have been able to be refilled. I went a step further in my disgust in this companies practice, I tracked down the company headquarters and filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau in Kentucky (where they are based). Thye truely have screwed themselves on this. I went to best buy where I purchased the printer and told them of this fact so they could be aware they are selling a product from a greedy company. And to my surprise the manager of Best Buy where I live said they were sorry, and that he would bring that fact up the chain, ( not sure if it will go anywhere). I will never buy a Lexmark product. I am going to try your trick of the tape, and start making plans to sell this printer and buy another one, problem with that is, it cost 200 bucks, and now you can buy it on Amazon for 100. Expensive lesson.
by Anonymous on Jul 21, 2009 at 8:41am Add comment
...going cheaper all the time...

c+g

by cowandgate on Jul 21, 2009 at 9:40am Add comment
From Anonymous 7-21-09

I called Lexmark tech services, and they freely admit using a chip in all of their products to limit the cartridges to new Lexmark brand items. They say it is because they use a "special high grade ink" and that "lesser inks could cause damage to the printer". BS! I have had multiple brands of printers and they all have been able to be refilled. I went a step further in my disgust in this companies practice, I tracked down the company headquarters and filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau in Kentucky (where they are based). Thye truely have screwed themselves on this. I went to best buy where I purchased the printer and told them of this fact so they could be aware they are selling a product from a greedy company. And to my surprise the manager of Best Buy where I live said they were sorry, and that he would bring that fact up the chain, ( not sure if it will go anywhere). I will never buy a Lexmark product. I am going to try your trick of the tape, and start making plans to sell this printer and buy another one, problem with that is, it cost 200 bucks, and now you can buy it on Amazon for 100. Expensive lesson.>>>

You need to read the thread.

by opsman000 on Jul 21, 2009 at 1:35pm Add comment
NEVER BUY A LEXMAR PRINTER, EVER AGAIN. JUST FINISHED TRYING TO REFILL CARTRIDGES OF MY X3650... NO LUCK. I FEEL DISGUSTED BY THE FACT THAT I CAN'T USE MY OWN PROPERTY THE WAY I WANT, AFTER I PAID FOR IT. FORCED TO DO WHAT THE MANUFACTURER EXPECTS, WITHOUT A LOGICAL REASON. LEXMARK AND ANY OTHER COMPANY THAT EMPLOYS THIS TACTICS SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE!! WE ARE SMARTER THAN THIS!!
by JENNY1076 on Jul 22, 2009 at 6:02pm Add comment
Ok granted...Lexmark is banned. However, what ink-jet printer manufacture is not doing this same dirty trick? Who can we trust? Sure, trash Lexmark.....but what do you replace it with?
by unknown on Jul 22, 2009 at 7:07pm Add comment
There is no other way to refill lexmark..
Even though company did not want, but customer can refill someday..
Only we need new idea, right?

My cartriege is returning program that means it cannot refill...

But I will not give up
and I will not buy lexmark again.

^^
by solution on Jul 24, 2009 at 7:18am Add comment
My 7100 All-in-one won't communicate with my computer. Has anyone figured this one out? I'm kind of dumb when it comes to them. I've tried 5 different cables and 2 computers.
Thanks
Sandy
by unknown on Jul 24, 2009 at 8:01am Add comment
To SandyB

Check this link:

https://www.microsoft.com/windows/compatibility/Details.aspx?type=Hard ware&p=Lexmark\%207100\%20series&v=Lexmark&uid=&pf=2&pi=2&c=Printers\%20\% 26\%20Scanners&sc=Ink-Jet\%20Printers&os=64-bit


- opsman000
SandyB, try following ALL the instructions on this page first

http://www.lexmark.com/publications/pdfs/7100/eng/setupsh.pdf

Note that you click CANCEL when Windows offers to install its own drivers, you then install the software that came with it.

Which OS are you using?

c+g
by cowandgate on Jul 24, 2009 at 11:52am Add comment
The issue here is like trying to lubricate your car engine with cooking oil as it is cheaper.

Get this advise for free:

Never refill your empty cartridges with compatible ink. Every company protects its own products by several techniques to ensure the well functioning and quality standards.
The printer in question here is a good example. Ink is several compounded materials which are friendly and compatible with the printer metal and plastic parts.

The only conclusion you will make when your printer is no more functioning is that it’s a bad device that doesn’t worth your money, instead of blaming the bad incompatible ink (cooking oil).

Try t use another firm cartridge as Epson or HP with your Lexmark printer. The result is that the printer will generate the following error message” Incompatible cartridge” or “Unknown cartridge” . To sum up, when you make something useful to ease life and that took you time and money, you will make it clear to ensure quality standards and shine your name in the market ” I’m the solely one who has the knowledge to how it functions and what it makes it function”.



I’m not promoting for Lexmark nor for any other firms, but please save your money and time by using original supplies whether you have Lexmark or Xerox.

Thank you.
An ex-Lexmark help desk.





by Anonymous on Aug 2, 2009 at 6:46am Add comment
The world according to Lexmark!

Ha Ha Ha

You have no idea what this thread is really about have you?

Its about corporate GREED, not substandard ink!

In one study by a well known consumer magazine, chemical analysis of the "real" ink versus the "cheap" ink revealed they were virtually identical!

There is no chance I will buy Lexmark again.

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 2, 2009 at 7:39am Add comment
I Have the what I call the rotten Lexmark all-in-one-fix. I have been following this thread from the beginning to the end. This is my method for gretty corps. like Lexmark. A sweet workaround. All I ask is that you give me a little credit, where credit is due. A little bit of Thanks for putting this giants balls up for grabs.

I have used it and it never fails. If everyone does this Lexmark will certianly feel this one up the ass. This your your chance. Buy the most expensive lemark printer at your local Walmart(Walmart guarentees any product you by from them or your money back within 90 days and sometimes even longer, with your reciept) Use the shit out of the ink and the printer and bring it back and tell them that it wasn't compatable with your computer and get your money back only to slip back into walmart to buy a new lexmark printer to only use the shit out of it. I have been doing it for years now, just like a endless recycle. All with the help of my local Walmart and their excellent refund policy. Lexmark always looses this way. They have been getting all those used and abused printers by me sent directly back to them, from "yes you guess it" My Local friendly walmart ALWAYS! This is the best way to always keep a new printer on hand and Free INK paid all by Lexmark....................THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION!
by rishtonhamm on Aug 3, 2009 at 2:00pm Add comment
That is a BRILLIANT idea, mind you I'm not sure as to how it would work here in the UK as they ask for your name & address etc, but I'll bear that in mind for anything I buy in future not just a printer! - lexmark-ater
from rishtonhamm,

I Have the what I call the rotten Lexmark all-in-one-fix. I have been following this thread from the beginning to the end. This is my method for gretty corps. like Lexmark. A sweet workaround. All I ask is that you give me a little credit, where credit is due. A little bit of Thanks for putting this giants balls up for grabs.

I have used it and it never fails. If everyone does this Lexmark will certianly feel this one up the ass. This your your chance. Buy the most expensive lemark printer at your local Walmart(Walmart guarentees any product you by from them or your money back within 90 days and sometimes even longer, with your reciept) Use the shit out of the ink and the printer and bring it back and tell them that it wasn't compatable with your computer and get your money back only to slip back into walmart to buy a new lexmark printer to only use the shit out of it. I have been doing it for years now, just like a endless recycle. All with the help of my local Walmart and their excellent refund policy. Lexmark always looses this way. They have been getting all those used and abused printers by me sent directly back to them, from "yes you guess it" My Local friendly walmart ALWAYS! This is the best way to always keep a new printer on hand and Free INK paid all by Lexmark....................THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION!>>>

That's fraud. If a good tech takes back the printer you're done. Wal-Mart keeps all their docs forever. All this to use up the ink in the free cartridge? Doesn't seem worth it to me.

Refilling Lexmark cartridges is possible. Just re-read the thread.

Lexmark printers are good printers. However, I prefer Kodak printers for pics--they are the ultimate. - opsman000
Every Walmart has a large sign at the customer service desk that clearly states their refund policy. It has always work for me and other people I know. Heck I just brought back some raw chicken that my wife thought it smell a little, so back to the walmart. Refund no problems. When I need something from there I can't afford then I just buy it, use it, bring it back. lololololololo how bout that lexmark?
by rishtonhamm on Aug 3, 2009 at 3:36pm Add comment
rishtonhamm,

I can't verify this but I believe that Walmart buys Lexmark printers as well as other merchandise in advance and that if there is a return it is Walmart's loss. This doesn't seem like it will affect Lexmark.
by unknown on Aug 3, 2009 at 3:45pm Add comment
I actually agree with Anonymous. (The ex-lexmark help desk)

c+g, most inks are substandard compared to genuine ink. The problem is that Lexmark should not have locked the printer from refilling because I would rather use a substandard ink and print out many pages for cheap. I know the official inks have been proven to have better archival quality but I don't really care. If the printhead dies quicker because of the poor ink then so be it. I have the knowledge to get the most out of the printhead while using the crappy ink and once it dies it dies. If Lexmark really is worried about people complaining their printers are broken they should do what Brother does and check to make sure if a printer is sent in for warranty repair that if there is evidence of refilled ink used, the warranty is automatically void and the user is out of luck. What kind of idiot would send in their printer for repair after using refilled ink?
by unknown on Aug 3, 2009 at 3:53pm Add comment
Lets blow this myth away, the ink they supply for refills is in most cases exactly the same as the stuff they put in at the factory, in fact some replacement carts have been shown to be superior for archival purposes. I can certainly attest the fact that "genuine" carts printed photos hanging on the wall here have faded far more rapidly then others with "cheap" ink that are still full colour. Not very scientific but it speaks for itself.

In the case of Lexmark, just remove the carts prior to sending the printer back (if it needs to be sent back for servicing) this removes the printheads as well, so no proof what ink was actually used. Even with the carts in place they would need to perform sophisticated forensic analysis to prove the ink was not made by Lexmark, a thing that would be very expensive if performed on each and every printer that came in for service. No, I believe its easier for Lexmark service to just claim its "refilled ink" with no proof whatsoever and then void your warranty.

c+g



by cowandgate on Aug 3, 2009 at 4:11pm Add comment
C+G---one question. How would you refill the cartridge and there not be evidence of doing so? Even if you try extremely carefully to pry the whole top off there are still going to be blade marks along the edge..........

And a question--does anyone know of a good glue to put the top back on with? I tried crazy glue--whole darn thing leaked when I accidently leaned the cartridge sideways. (this is for an X1100 series Lexmark)
by unknown on Aug 3, 2009 at 5:02pm Add comment
from KathyM,
C+G---one question. How would you refill the cartridge and there not be evidence of doing so? Even if you try extremely carefully to pry the whole top off there are still going to be blade marks along the edge..........

And a question--does anyone know of a good glue to put the top back on with? I tried crazy glue--whole darn thing leaked when I accidently leaned the cartridge sideways. (this is for an X1100 series Lexmark) >>>

Not necessary to remove top of the cartridge.
See this video on YouTube for 26/27 carts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho5ehEu2TKM&feature=related
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Also another video on YouTube for #16 a different method of filling using a vendors holder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXjc-2VWpis

Lexmark 10N0016 - opsman000
Ok..Lexmark is screwing with us...I need to know which if any, similar Ink jet manufacturer is not doing the same. Is Brother safe? I've had a bad similar experience with Cannon. In that case, a very expensive print head "counted" the number of allowed prints then stopped working.....And "Amazing" after another $60.00 print head, it worked fine again..... Then after a while and many cart refills, it too decided to quit. Not fade out as in worn out. It again just refused to work. I saw an article that claimed a "resister" was designed to burn out after so many prints. However, the related link I saved would not work when I needed to try the fix. Cannon and Lexmark seem to be effectively policing their "money grab". IMHO.
by unknown on Aug 3, 2009 at 5:46pm Add comment
KathyM

If the cartridge is removed then there is no problem. This is only in a return to service dept situation. You could always refit the) (empty) genuine carts.

Manat Moon

Yes, I agree, many manufacturers are arbitrarily "fixing" their profits effectively by setting false limits on a) ink usage and b) print head life.

c+g

by cowandgate on Aug 3, 2009 at 6:19pm Add comment
c+g

You seem to be forgetting the rubber rest position in the printer. This touches the printhead of the cartridge. Over time ink is deposited on the rubber plug. Then there is also the wiper blade that tries to clean the printhead when you do a cleaning. If you have ever observed the printer while it is doing the cleaning procedure you will see that it goes to the right of the printer then stops at a point and slowly continues until it reaches the end of the barrel. The is the printer attempting to wipe old ink off the printhead with the rubber blade. Also a final thing that will tip them off is the Sponge deposit\\plastic petri dish for waste ink. You see when the printer cleans the cartridge it tries to get ink flowing by telling the cartridge to "fire" all nozzles for a moment. The hope is that after a wiping the ink will flow again. The waste ink has to go somewhere. It is deposited into a giant sponge or for the really cheap lexmarks (Z1300), a plastic petri dish. Lexmark can develop a simple chemical solution which can change color to indicate the ink being tested is not their ink and then bam... warranty void.

Have you ever opened up a inkjet printer and observed its operation? These functions are standard on all inkjet printers.

Sorry that the pictures on your wall have faded. If you use a cheapo printer its cartridges ink has a higher chance of fading. This is why the more expensive printers have different cartridges. It is a richer ink. (the more expensive printers usually have pigmented ink while the cheaper ones use a water soluble dye based ink). These are still not as bad as the refill ink though.

Manat Moon what are you talking about?!! Canon is the best printer manufacturer. Sure their cartirdges arent simple drill and fill and you have to understand how the air pressure works in their cartridges while refilling or you will have a really nasty spill but the fact that you can replace the printhead is a huge advantage. First of all its better than the epson garbage with the printhead unremovable. And secondly this makes each cartridge cheaper because they dont have to attach a printhead to each cartridge like they do with lexmark and most hp printers.

The reason your printhead clogged is because of all the refilling you did without any maintenance of your printhead. The way a inkjet printer actually prints works like this. The ink flows through microscopic nozzles and at the end of a nozzle is a resistor which heats up the ink to a very high temperature. The temperature causes the ink droplet to form into a bubble. The bubble falls to the paper and cools down while blending in with the paper fibers. If the ink solidifies in the nozzle and you try to print well then the resistor heats up and with no ink to transfer heat to it burns out and the printhead is permanently destroyed. Mixing different chemistries of ink (such as genuine ink and refilled ink) will cause chemical reactions that will speed up the solidification of the ink and if you dont do anything to remedy it and still continue to print with dried up ink in the printhead well then the printhead will be destroyed.

I bought a cheapo Lexmark Z1300 to print alot of pages that I only needed temporary but this garbage dosent want to refill.

I also have a Canon PIXMA ip6000d which I also refill but what I do with the printhead is every other week or so I take the printhead out and use a steam cleaner to make sure I dont have any dried up ink. I have printed approx 15000 pages successfully even though I use substandard ink and this printer just does not want to give up. The point is to make sure not to let the printhead dry out or it will break and then its not canon's fault anymore because you refilled.

This "myth" that canon is setting limits on the printhead is complete BS. If you understand how a printhead works you will agree that it is not true. After many canon printers which have all been simply nothing but brilliant I will always vouch for canon no matter what.
by unknown on Aug 3, 2009 at 6:58pm Add comment
"Refilling Lexmark cartridges is possible. Just re-read the thread"

Yes, but they then will not work in the printer as its recorded in the printer memory.

They have deliberately made it that way to circumvent refilling. Users do not get the full use of the ink/printhead.

Thats corporate greed, and not far off fraud, with software doing the lies for them.

Agreed, the above ruse of taking the whole printer back for a refund seems over the top.

Has anyone tried taking just the carts back for a refund? It only takes a wee while to empty one printing photos, so take it back and claim it failed before empty! Asda is the chain owned by Walmart in the UK, and I can vouch they have a "no quibble" exchange policy as long as you have a valid till receipt.

I still beg to differ on the "substandard ink" front, ink is ink, its just pigment in solution, and its difficult to prove were it came from from some deposits on a sponge, especially if the refilled cart is sat in your drawer at home and not in the printer.

I used refill ink in an Epson printer (that had print heads that were difficult to change) for years with no ill effects. The PSU was the thing that burnt out eventually.

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 3, 2009 at 10:03pm Add comment
If you look on this page

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/Bulk_Inkjet_Ink.html

you will see many of the inks come from China

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 3, 2009 at 10:17pm Add comment
If you look on this page

http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/Bulk_Inkjet_Ink.html

you will see many of the inks come from China

c+g

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Is there anything that ISN'T made in flippin China nowdays?!! :-) - unknown
Opsman---Thanks for the video links :) I've been having a hard time with the sealed top on the 26 and 16---they're double layer tops. When you pry off the first top there's another layer of plastic inside with holes in it, but when I put in the recommended 5ml of ink, the slightest tip lets that ink flow out the inner layer holes and all over on top that inner layer, so I guess I'll have to use less ink, even though these are the large capacity carts. I also have a terrible time getting these carts to print properly afterward--it takes many cleanings and alignments to get the color to clear up and flow like it's supposed to, even though they worked perfectly before I refilled them. And to top it all off the two carts cost nearly $70 at WalMart!! I already bought some remanufactured ones online cheaper and they never did work right---left lines on every photo, even after many many cleanings & alignments.

I say we should all band together and the techno people among us invent our own grass roots printer and market it to people who want to be able to refill their carts with no interference!! Anybody out there that good??? If we each put up a little money we could start our own company!! :D
by unknown on Aug 4, 2009 at 7:41am Add comment
This is by far the best idea I have come by yet! I'm in! - lpcoldhearted
Let it be a GREEN printer and I think you could count me in!

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 4, 2009 at 8:01am Add comment
KathyM the reason you have to do many cleaning cycles is because the cartridge is not primed. What this means is that there are either air bubbles or not enough pressure in the cartridge to pull ink into the nozzles. I reccommend you buy a ink refill kit that has a priming unit. Inksell sells kits for many different cartridge.

What the priming unit does is basically it helps to pull ink to the printhead after you have refilled it. I used to have a Lexmark Z611 using the #16 cartridges and after I primed the cartridge assuming there were no ink clogs, I had a perfect test page printout the first time no cleaning required.

Inksell has videos demonstrating the refill units. They actually show you how to prime the cartridge. See if there is a video for you specific cartridge. If not, im sure the Lexmark 16 video will be the same as many other Lexmark cartridges.
by unknown on Aug 4, 2009 at 8:38am Add comment
KathyM, I forgot to reply to the second part of you post. If you want to band together to make your own printer that's great. You will need someone to put up millions of dollars for R&D though. The printers on the market are so cheap because they are sold at a loss. The money is made up in the ink sales.
by unknown on Aug 4, 2009 at 8:41am Add comment
riciuzuki---thanks for the link--I'll take a look. I'm wasting an awful lot of ink trying to get the color going again.
by unknown on Aug 4, 2009 at 8:53am Add comment
GREEN PRINTER... GREAT IDEA!! COUNT ON ME TOOO!!!!

by JENNY1076 on Aug 4, 2009 at 9:28am Add comment
Peter Llewellyn----Americans? (at least I THINK they're still made in America.....)
by unknown on Aug 4, 2009 at 4:26pm Add comment
Obviously to design and manufacture a green printer would cost money, so who would support it? It need not cost that much though, even though lots of patents are owned by HP/Canon/Lexmark etc the basic principle of the inkjet printer is public domain. Its possible it could lead to another unholy alliance but that would be a risk of any new venture. How about Microsoft or Apple, would they support a "greener" printer? What allegiances do they have already?

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 4, 2009 at 4:27pm Add comment
Yeah, I read the whole thread, wow.

I tried taping the last four, I tried taping just the left one, tried taping the right one ... all to no avail.

I'm just not going to spend anymore time on this, getting ready to trash the Lexmark 3600 printer I have and look for a new printer that a) will have cheaper carts or b) has carts that we can actually refill.

Probably going to get a Canon printer, but I will look around.

Thanks for all of your hard work.
Lance the wannabe computer nerd
by L_Troy on Aug 10, 2009 at 9:20am Add comment
What do you think of the Kodak range?
by cowandgate on Aug 10, 2009 at 2:30pm Add comment
actually, I was looking at some kodak 3-in-one printers today, and their carts (black) cost about $10 and the color carts were about $13 or so. I have heard that kodak printers are good in general.
by L_Troy on Aug 10, 2009 at 10:28pm Add comment
$10 = £10 here so still a rip off, but less so than Lexmark. What do people think a FAIR price for a genuine recycled cart? $1? $5? what?

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 11, 2009 at 5:55am Add comment
hmmm £10 UK? that would be about $20 US

Unless of course you are talking about other £ (I know the UK is not the only country that uses £)

anyway $10 US is about the cheapest I have seen for a new cartridge, and even a refill kit (for both colo(u)rs though) is about $10 plus tax. Just curious, what part of the world do you live in? I'm in Arizona (most of the time).
by L_Troy on Aug 11, 2009 at 11:33am Add comment
Scotland

£10 GPB

xe.com says its $16.47

by cowandgate on Aug 11, 2009 at 12:04pm Add comment
Hello all,
There seem to be a problem in getting the black 14 to work after refilling even with taping the last row. Although the system is unsure about the level of ink, the printer skips the black cartridge and attempts to print from the colour one. Has anyone find a way around that?

Many thanks,
M
by manwithapan on Aug 13, 2009 at 1:11pm Add comment
Don't know how many times we have said this on this thread but taping over the contacts on the cartridge does not defeat the software that counts the ink use, it merely causes the cart not to be recognised and therefore not used.

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 13, 2009 at 3:12pm Add comment
I thought it was listed as a solution that worked in some cases.
by Anonymous on Aug 13, 2009 at 3:56pm Add comment
No it does not work.
by cowandgate on Aug 13, 2009 at 4:52pm Add comment
I have the Lexmark X4850 and purchased the extended 43xl and 44xl cartridges, have just had them refilled and came up with the problems stated through this exceedingly long thread, I have tried taping over contacts and other options with the same results that i cannot overide the ink level indicators. I have had the proverbial s@*ts with the printer and the hammer solution is looking good.

I hope Lexmark have been reading this and are aware of all the disgruntled people out there who have no intention of buying another Lexmark product and would advise everyone who askes the same advice.

has anyone been able to come up with a real solution yet ?
by unknown on Aug 13, 2009 at 7:16pm Add comment
To Tails54 on the X4850 and Anonymous on single use:

You sure have an 'orphan' printer,,,it nearly doesn't exist! At some point you only may be able to get cartridges from Lexmark. The cartridges that work in the machine are for color: 41, 41a, 43xl; for black: 42, 42a, 44xl; and for photo: 40. The machine may have come with 41 only or with 41 and 42.

My experience has been with the x-series (2500) is that the left cartridge (black or photo) are refillable; and, the right cartridge (color): the 41 is a 'pre-bated' non refillable cart but the 41a and the 44xl are refillable.


You indicate that you aren't able to use the xl cartridges in your printer. What exactly is the messaging that you get? In my experience you should just click through the messaging to print.

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The single use clause: "(3) Non-refillable cartridge licensed for single use only. Return empty cartridges to Lexmark for remanufacturing, refilling or recycling. A variable amount of ink remains when this cartridge must be replaced. Replacement cartridges (41A, 42A) sold without these terms are available through www.Lexmark.com", only applies to the 41 and 42 but in my experience the black cartridge was in fact refillable.

My opinion is that the "single use clause" exists because in essence it is allowing two different 'classes' of cartridges--(non-refillable and refillable) to preempt any legal action saying their cartridges are not refillable.
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BTW, Lexmark is unleasing a complete new line of printers next month! Impact, Interpret, Intuition and Interact; the business line includes Prospect, Prevail, Prestige and Platinum. Prices range from $99 to $399. link: http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com

- opsman000
I was wondering why it appears to be the case that the photocartidge No 31 can be refilled, even though it is marked as single use, but many other cartridges cannot be refilled.

Has anyone deciphered the logic?

Thanks
by Anonymous on Aug 14, 2009 at 1:58am Add comment
The left carts in the X2500-3500-4500 series are refillable as far as I can see, but the color one on the right still needs replacing because the "Color" type 31 etc carts only seem to contain Magenta Cyan and Black ink, no Yellow for some reason.

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 15, 2009 at 5:20pm Add comment
I really appreciated your post.Thank you for such nice research on Lexmark.I will give your answer in some days after some find on it.
by mathewdavid on Aug 17, 2009 at 5:37am Add comment
As a newbie to this thread, but as someone who paid through the nose for a Lexmark x4550, about COP 325,000, (that's Colombian pesos about USD $150) only to find that the cartridges are indefensibly expensive (about COP 100,000, for which I can buy a HP printer!!!) and often not refillable I agree with the posters who say that these Lexmarks should be smashed to bits, and I also suggest smashing the cartridges to smithereens and then sending them back to Lexmark in their prepaid envelope. My wife even suggested giving this piece of s**t to charity but these Lexmarks are like cursed devices, if i gave it to charity then they would be left with paying the outrageous prices for cartridges!!

To cut a long story short, I had 2 original Lexamrk carts (34 and 35) which I refilled twice and they worked fine, but then a few weeks ago I started getting the right cart incorrect error in the colour, so the printer now won't do anything (I can't even print/copy in black!!

Countless emails to Lexmark "support" and resulted in responses which would seem to indicate that their technical suport staff spend more time in Law class rather than in technical support, as the legal speak they use when asked a straight question has to be seen to be believed!!

I've had enough, I'm off to buy a HP or Canon.

Noel
by Noelito40 on Aug 22, 2009 at 1:12pm Add comment
"the legal speak they use when asked a straight question has to be seen to be believed!!"

any chance you could copy some of their responses here?


thanks

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 22, 2009 at 2:25pm Add comment
For the X6650 - refillable cartridges are available from lexmark.
cartridge no: are
36xla and 37xla jumbo size
or
36a and 37a medium size

so I will stick with lexmark.

I found this in their website in the description of the printer
good luck to you all

Manny
by Anonymous on Aug 22, 2009 at 4:38pm Add comment
Have you tried refilling the cartridges? I think you will find the ones you mention are "return program" cartridges, which means they are recycled by Lexmark. You pay the same ripoff prices even though they are recycled.

eg the 36XL Black Return Programme Cartridge is over $38 USD in the UK.

http://www.lexmarkonline.co.uk

So I can't see how this is tempting me to stick with Lexmark!

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 22, 2009 at 5:14pm Add comment
I’ve been involved in a tortuous meandering conversation with Lexmark over the past few weeks about, right cartridge error, refillable cartridges etc, and here are some of the responses I’ve had from Lexmark… The text in quotes is taken directly from the responses I’ve received and some comments of mine are in italicised text. These are just a sample of the replies…

1. “I understand that you are asking information about using refilled ink cartridges. Let me try to provide you information regarding the issue. Let me inform you that I can only assist you with issues or information regarding Genuine Lexmark ink cartridge. We do not advise customers to use refilled ink cartridges. Though it is cheaper to refill ink cartridge, you may encounter problems or difficulties with using it. Due to incompatible ink used in refilling the cartridge, you may face problems such as print quality issue or encounter messages such as "Un supported cartridge". The refill may work in the first place as the original ink acts with the refilled ink, but as the original ink got drained out, there is a little or no possibility of the refilled cartridge will work with the printer.”

The above text in bold is an example of the gibberish that Lexmark speak, how and when does original ink act with refilled ink? After all you only refill a cartridge when it is empty, so how could refilled ink mix with original ink?


2. “We sell "Unlicensed" cartridges those are the cartridges that has A after the number e.g. 14A. By unlincensed, we meant that you can do anything with it. Though our cartridges are designed for one use only. The difference with "Licensed" and "Unlicensed" cartridges is that "Licensed" cartridges has a chip that recognizes the ink level and once the cartridge has been emptied it will somehow "shut down" the cartridges preventing it from working again. Whereas, "Unlicensed" ones work the other way around.
>
> To be honest, we cannot assure that the printer will work with those, as well the printouts if Generic cartridges are used in the printer. Plus, if the cartridge caused damage to the printer warranty will be voided.”

Cue some choice responses on what users would like to do with Lexmark cartridges.

3. “> As for the cartridge issue, I understand that you are only using the black to print. But since the printer is giving off errors, no other functions will work, thus could be the reasin you're not able to scan. Have you tried to use the old colored or a brand new cartridge to check if that will still give the error?”

“> Lastly, You don't need a color to print in B&W but as the printer is telling you that the right cartridge is incorrect and will not let you print, right? That includes copying and printing. As the cartridges work together, try to remove the colored and then print again.

So they say that, "You don't need a color to print in B&W" but "...As the cartridges work together…" they are contradicting themselves

4. “The printer will only use the black cartridge to print black documents, but if you are receiving an error then it would seem that both are not working since the printer can't work with a defective cartridge. If you have a known good cartridge then try to use it and see if the printer will still give the error.”

So basically I have to buy a new cartridge and if that doesn’t work, tough…

by Noelito40 on Aug 22, 2009 at 7:05pm Add comment
To Noel on the x4550,

The cartridges for the left side: black; 23, 23a, 34; photo; 31
The cartridges for the right side: color; 24, 24a, 35
I believe all these cartridges are refillable except 24.

The 34 and 35 are both high yield cartridges--essentially 3 times the ink that are in the 23 and 24. If you have used these cartridges 3 times that is a lot of printing--nearly 9 times the output of the 23 and 24. It is possible that the print heads are simply worn out--ie. burnt up.

I think that is the case with your 35 cartridge. Simply remove it and print with just the 34 for black only. Just click through the "missing cartridge", and "not Lexmark ink" messages.
If the black cartridge is printing white pages then it is either out of ink or clogged up. If it is clogged up just make a pad with a paper towel, wet it, and blot the print head until the ink flows.


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You mention you have scan/ copy problems.

You can print, scan, or copy with just the black cart or just the color cart in the printer.

You can scan and copy without any cartridges in the printer--I just did it. I removed my black cartridge and although the orange led blinks on the printer indicating missing cartridges, it still copied and allowed me to save my copy to the computer.

Hope this helps.
- opsman000
Sorry, re my above post, didn't realise that posts were only pure text so italics and bold don't show up, but I hope you get the gist of my post!!
by Noelito40 on Aug 22, 2009 at 7:08pm Add comment
Found one place in the UK at least that does the "a" suffix carts

http://www.printware.co.uk

Still £20 GBP but I will get these on next order to try this claim by Lexmark that they are refillable.

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 22, 2009 at 10:19pm Add comment
thanks for the tips oopsman...

I am not a heavy print user, just for home use, granted I don't have a page counter so can't say how many pages, but I don´t think the use was excessive.

Secondly, I've tried printing with just the black cart but no joy, even clicking through any error msgs, just prints blank pages (despite the fact that both carts are full) but will try your useful tip!

The scanning issue I have is that I can't scan via USB, only wireless, and I constantly get the annoying "downloading applications list" error and invariably I end up reinstalling the printer, which then does allow me to scan wirelessly, but it's a pain...

As for you being able to copy with no cartridges in the printer then wow??!! sounds like a miracle printer, where is the ink coming from for the copy? :-)

Appreciate the help

Noel
by Noelito40 on Aug 24, 2009 at 5:06pm Add comment
Oospman, take a bow; you have helped solve some of my problems. I removed and cleaned the black cartridge with alcohol, and lo and behold I printed successfully in black (bypassing of course all the ridiculous Lexmark error message). I also copied successfully so all in all a pretty good call oopsman!!

I still have a problem in that I cannot scan via usb, (scanning wirelessly works intermittently, but I invariably end up having to reinstall the print device. Lexmark gave me some advice, which needless to say solved nothing, so am awaiting with baited breath for the next pearls of wisdom they should throw my way!!

Noel
by Noelito40 on Aug 24, 2009 at 7:02pm Add comment
To Noel,

I'm glad that you got your black cart to work. I don't have a clue why your usb connection won't work with your printer. The usb connection should work before your wireless works by all laws except Murphy's Law.
- opsman000
My experience of the refilled #35 carts was the message "right cart incorrect" , there is nothing to "click through" it stops at that message and will neither print nor scan nor copy.

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 24, 2009 at 9:30pm Add comment
The type #31 photo carts do not work on their own either, they have cyan, magenta and black but no yellow and therefore need the colour cart fitted to print colour.

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 24, 2009 at 9:41pm Add comment
To Cowandgate,

I haven't used a 31 photo cart but it is a "photo enhancement" cartridge which is designed to be used with the standard primary color cartridge on the right side of the printer (ie. 24 or 35). Although it can't print color prints by itself, I would think it should be able to print black by itself.
- opsman000
Refilled Internet cartridges--#35

Refilled #35 cartridges are available all over the Internet. The problem with buying refilled cartridges on the Internet is that you don't know how many times the cartridge has been refilled. The print head definitely has a limited life span so you may have a problem with the print head reaching its failure point. This why the vendor's guarantee is important--read carefully.

A better bet, and lots cheaper, is to buy a kit, drill the holes, and refill your original cart yourself.
by opsman000 on Aug 25, 2009 at 11:03am Add comment
Its the original carts that stop printing after x pages etc. They can be refilled easily because the holes are in the top under the label, no need to drill. Its the chip/software that stops it printing. The refilled carts that are sold on the web etc do not always work because the printer software rejects them before you even get chance to try them out! But some DO work, they just show empty all the time, so each time you print you get an empty warning from the software.

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 25, 2009 at 7:59pm Add comment
Yes I agree about the quality thing, even after spending c £40 for genuine Lexmark carts the thing will only print maybe 6 pages and then goes streaky. You then have to waste huge amounts of ink and paper to clean the heads. It does this no matter what paper you use, copier bond or glossy photo, always needs cleaning sooner rather than later. I have looked at the alternatives like colour lasers, but the supplies for them are even more expensive, even though they say the cost per page is much less, I can't afford to pay out c £ 200 every time the toner runs out. Of course some people say you can refill the toner yourself....

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 25, 2009 at 10:25pm Add comment
Lexmark are dead sneaky, they'll sell the "A" carts but when you've refilled them they work OK for a while, but then they start to go dirty, you have to run 3 or 4 clean cycles to get them to print properly, this is particularly bad in the colour carts. I just ignore the warnings & print on but TBH I don't care if my Lexy F**ks up it will be a good reason to buy a new printer, next time round I'll do my research on the consumables before I buy.
by lexmark-ater on Aug 26, 2009 at 2:55am Add comment
Suggestions for lasers please...
by cowandgate on Aug 26, 2009 at 3:14am Add comment
lexmark-ater, Again like I have said before the cartridges get dirty because mixing different ink chemistry will cause them to become glop and then they clog up the cartridge thereby burning up the printhead and causing streaks.
by unknown on Aug 26, 2009 at 9:07am Add comment
"mixing different ink chemistry"

No, I don't think so, at least one retailer says they steam clean and another uses ultrasonics to remove any trace of old ink before refilling, so how do you explain the streaking then?

I believe its just crap design because this happens even with new un-recycled (supposedly) Lexmark genuine cartridges.



c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 26, 2009 at 1:45pm Add comment
Thanks, but I think we already established that covering contacts on the print cartridge just results in that cart not being used.

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 27, 2009 at 6:54pm Add comment
Exactly, disconnecting random pins on the cartridge results in it not being recognised, it uses the other colour cart instead.

Unless you know the details of the circuit and the functioning of the cartridge and how it interacts with the rest of the printer I think any discussion about taping over pins serves no useful purpose, ie you would need to show, by a reasoned argument, why you think it has the effect you purport.

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 27, 2009 at 8:05pm Add comment
All I know is that the pin that I covered with tape did not cause my color cartridge to be used instead. After getting your responce I disabled my color cartridge and printed a test page.
no color only black on test page. therefore the Black cartridge is being used. The test page with both cartridges enabled, printed correctly. Both color and black.
by the way, I was just trying to help others with what I discovered. Why do you seem to be so arguementive?

Carl

If I knew how to attach a copy of my test page I would.
What difference does it make. It helped me, when there were no available solutions. - Carl5565
To Carl,

My experience with the left black cartridge is that it is a refillable cart and will work without taping over any contacts. If you remove the tape I believe that you will find that it will continue to work just as you describe.
by opsman000 on Aug 28, 2009 at 11:40am Add comment
Just an update on a matter I noted namely that I could not scan via usb. Well thanks to detailed instructions from Lexmark (credit where credit is due) I have resolved this matter. Seems like the driver was not fully updated...

I'm still left with my original problem (refilled Colour cart 35 not being accepted, "right cartridge incorrect" error) so I have 3 wheels on my wagon at the moment, I can print in black (by ignoring all the ridiculous Lexmark error messages), I can scan via USB or wireless, just can't print in colour, and I am not forking out $100000 Colombian pesos (about 50 USD) to buy a new cartridge...
by Noelito40 on Aug 30, 2009 at 5:45pm Add comment
Noel

Its good that it now prints even with the "right cartridge incorrect" message, this X4550 does not print with that message. Which software did you update? Do you have the link to it?

Carl

It was you who said

"when I go into my printer maintainance menu, it shows that there is no black cartridge"

and then

"After getting your responce I disabled my color cartridge"

I just wondered how you explain it printing with no carts?

It would be helpful if you could say which number black cartridge it is, eg #31 Photo etc

As opsman says, the left carts do not seem to be the ones causing the problems like the RHS cart does, ie the Colour ones.

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 30, 2009 at 10:22pm Add comment
c+g, I have an original (albeit refilled) Lexmark cartridge 34 I removed the colour cart (35) and can print. Note it was the cleaning of the cart head with alcholo which resolved the problem.

Doubt if the usb scan issue is related to the colour cart printing problem but for what it's worth here are the instructions

1. Click on "start" located at the lower right corner of the screen.
2. Type in "device manager" on the start search box and hit enter on your keyboard.
3. It will open up a new window, please locate "Other Devices".
4. When you have located this, you will see a plus sign located on its left side. Click on the plus sign.
5. You should see your printer model or Human Interface Device there. Please check if you will see any "?", "!", or "X". If there are, please right click on it and choose "Update Driver".
6. There will be a new window there, please click on "Next". Follow the instructions on updating it. Keep on clicking the next button until you see the window with the option to click on "Have Disk" or "Browse".
7. Please click on "Have Disk" or "Browse". Choose Disc C or C drive.

-Choose Disc C
-Drivers or Lexmark
-Install or Drivers
-scan folder
- choose the file that starts with lx (not a folder)
8. Click on "Next" and finish the update. Try to scan using Paint first. Here are the steps:

1. Click on start located at the lower left corner of the screen.
2. Type in "Paint" on the start search box and choose paint at the upper part of the selection.
3. It will open up the program "Paint". Click on "File".
4. From the dropdown option, choose "From Scanners to Camera".
5. If it is asking for the printer, choose "Lexmark".
6. Click on scan and save the image.

Noel
by Noelito40 on Aug 31, 2009 at 6:40pm Add comment
The printer is not listed in device manager its in control panel/printers at least thats were it is on this laptop.

As far as I know the only updates to drivers are from the Lexmark website.

c+g
by cowandgate on Aug 31, 2009 at 7:41pm Add comment
To c+g

You need to have the x4550 connected via usb...then the printer will appear as above, and you can follow the instructions.

Yes the drivers were updated from the Lexmark site, don't have the exact link as all I had to do was click automatic update.
by Noelito40 on Aug 31, 2009 at 9:30pm Add comment
Thanks GCS

Regarding a 36 black ink cartridge. I covered the last 4 pins(dots) with a thin strip of blue painters tape. I hate painting and I hate dealing with printer isssues much like my brethren on Office Space. My X3650 printer now prints in black even though the display says the cartridge is missing.

All of your effort/experiments/contributions are what really make the internet a valuable tool!
by Anonymous on Aug 31, 2009 at 10:01pm Add comment
"You need to have the x4550 connected via usb"

but isn't it supposed to be Wifi?

Thats probably why you can't scan from wifi either.

Another nail in the Lex's coffin!

by cowandgate on Sep 1, 2009 at 12:44am Add comment
C+g...
"
Re "You need to have the x4550 connected via usb"

but isn't it supposed to be Wifi?
"

I can and always could scan via wifi, but on many ocassions I would get the "downloading applications list" error, which invariably I could only resolve by reinstalling the device, so although I could scan via wifi it was a pain in the ass. There's lot of talk on this error online but none of the patches that Lexmark issued evedr fixed the problem for me, they said that it related to firewall issues, which I doubt as I contacted my ISP who confirmed that they don't close any ports. At least being able to connect and scan vis usb eliminates the hassle of getting the error and having to reinstall the device.

Noel
by Noelito40 on Sep 1, 2009 at 8:51am Add comment
Just to update on my situation, I now have a 36A & 37A carts in my X4650, I have refilled both of them and just keep printing on. The only problems I have are that the carts show as empty, so I keep getting the message to order ink, and the real problem is the colour cart is quite "dirty" it doesn't print as vividly as an original pre-filled 37 cart, so I keep a spare 37 cart if I want to print photo's, tis a shame but what can you do?
by lexmark-ater on Sep 1, 2009 at 11:29am Add comment
no refills for #28 or #29 one install use only hi-yield is #28A for black and #29A for color>>>

The #28 can be refilled. I'm using it right now. Prints perfectly. The #29 can't be, at least I wasn't able to get it to work after I refilled it.
by opsman000 on Sep 6, 2009 at 1:49am Add comment
Definitely getting a Kodak printer.

c+g
by cowandgate on Sep 6, 2009 at 3:09am Add comment
Here's my review on this printer

http://reviews.cnet.com

The ESP 7 is a great printer for the money. You will be very impressed. I still can't over being able to center your pic on the paper before you hit that print button.

I'm not sure what it is anymore but their print heads have more print nozzles than any other printer on the market--300,000 or something like that.

All the inks are pigmented. Lexmark color inks are dye-based.
- opsman000
No one appears to be using the Z2390, except me.

If I am wrong, has anyone tried using cartridges other than nos 4 and 5.

I realise that there is a no 31 (photocartridge.

Thanks
by Anonymous on Sep 6, 2009 at 4:52am Add comment
I have a Lexmark AIO X4530 and want to buy ink cartridges that I can refill. Currently I have the origial #23 and #24 ink, which are now "empty". I have heard that If I buy the #23A and #24A that those can be refilled.What is the real story on Lexmark as far as this?

Thanks
by smoaky on Sep 6, 2009 at 8:51am Add comment
from smoaky,
I have a Lexmark AIO X4530 and want to buy ink cartridges that I can refill. Currently I have the origial #23 and #24 ink, which are now "empty". I have heard that If I buy the #23A and #24A that those can be refilled.What is the real story on Lexmark as far as this?

Thanks>>>
---------------------------
Your 23 can be refilled the 24 can't be refilled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYFWgB2TSGA

Good video

---------------------------
Here's an excellent pdf file on the color cartridges.

http://www.freeink4life.com

- opsman000
smoaky...

This is the response I got from Lexmark (posted earlier in the thread) on the matter of the A cartridges...

2. “We sell "Unlicensed" cartridges those are the cartridges that has A after the number e.g. 14A. By unlincensed, we meant that you can do anything with it. Though our cartridges are designed for one use only. The difference with "Licensed" and "Unlicensed" cartridges is that "Licensed" cartridges has a chip that recognizes the ink level and once the cartridge has been emptied it will somehow "shut down" the cartridges preventing it from working again. Whereas, "Unlicensed" ones work the other way around.
>
> To be honest, we cannot assure that the printer will work with those, as well the printouts if Generic cartridges are used in the printer. Plus, if the cartridge caused damage to the printer warranty will be voided.”

...smoaky, although you would need a code breaker to decipher responses from Lexmark, I interpret the above as meaning that Unlicenced A, cartridges can be refilled!

hope this helps

Noel
by unknown on Sep 6, 2009 at 9:11am Add comment
The Youtube video refers to a proprietary refill kit that most people will not possess.

Note: CAUTION when looking at the PDF file above, it ONLY applies to the COLOUR cartridges NOT THE PHOTO #31!

The PHOTO #31 is different:-

Instead of the colours in the colour cartridges it has BLACK MAGENTA and CYAN these are in place of the locations on the colour ones as follows:-


Colour Carts eg #24 ---------------- PHOTO #31

Magenta ---------------------------- Black
Yellow ---------------------------- Magenta
Cyan ---------------------------- Cyan

Note there is no drilling required, the filler holes are under the label.

c+g


by cowandgate on Sep 6, 2009 at 10:16am Add comment
Already tried that (I have a refill kit) and it wll not show that #23 is full and it will not let me print anything.
Looks as if I will have to buy 23A and 24A
I just need to hear from someone who has used the Lexmark 23A and the 24A carts and if they have refilled them
Thanks
by smoaky on Sep 6, 2009 at 10:22am Add comment
To smoaky,

The 23 cartridge will never show full after you refill it. It never shows empty either. That's because the Lexmark software isn't tracking it's usage.

I haven't brought this up before but the reason I believe the 23 cartridge never shows empty (this applies to all the black cartridges that go on the left side) is because Lexmark purposely allows this cart to run out of ink. What happens then? Your printer then uses the color cart (on the right side) to print black documents using the color cart. Since the black cart isn't showing empty you just keep replacing the color. What a game?

Just click thru the error messages and you will find that it will print. If it prints white pages then it's clogged up.

Go back in the messages in this thread and look at message #459. To determine the message numbers just move your cursor over the reply link on the messages and in your browser navigation window on the bottom of the browser you will a number at the end of the link--that's the message number. - opsman000
I believe the "A" suffix carts are for sale on Lexmark's website.

I have never tried them but I have refilled remanufactured ones, and they seem to work, at least for one or two fillings. They show empty though in the software.

c+g
by cowandgate on Sep 6, 2009 at 10:39am Add comment
Thanks cowandgate
Anybody else who has used and refilled Lexmark #23A and #24A carts successfully?
by smoaky on Sep 6, 2009 at 4:01pm Add comment
referring to reply #268

"This can be monitored by viewing the registry Key

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\\SOFTWARE\\LexmarkInkjet\\IjPrtSettings\\OFN1

Scroll down the list to the ones starting

InkPercentC
InkPercentK

etc

These would be at 100 (Hex 64) for a new cart, a lower value for a used one"

This shows the values for the left installed cart (whatever type it may be) DO actually get tracked by the printer software.

c+g
by cowandgate on Sep 6, 2009 at 9:39pm Add comment
You're right the carts are tracked. That is evident because when you originally put a new black cart in the printer it shows full but with continued printing it never reaches empty. The main point, which of course is speculation on my part, is that they never want this cart to show empty so the user will continue to buy color carts. This isn't just being dirty (inviting you to buy the cheaper "pre-bated" color carts which aren't refillable), but it DOUBLE DIRTY since most of your printing is in black. Whew! - opsman000
So if we know the carts are tracked and we know which registry keys are used, why cant we just do a regedit and set them to show that the carts are full after doing a cart refill?
by smoaky on Sep 7, 2009 at 10:10am Add comment
...because those registry entries are overwritten each time you print, the values come from the printer itself. It may be possible to hack the driver program but as noted in previous posts there are so many versions of this its not like its one program like a game for instance.

c+g
by cowandgate on Sep 7, 2009 at 2:46pm Add comment
I change my Lexmark for HP 5400, you just change the chip in the catridge or buy new catridges from ebay with already installed new chip and capacity for black ink catridge is 2000 pages!!!!
Get out of f..n super expensive Lexmark!
by unknown on Sep 9, 2009 at 4:01am Add comment
I dumped mine and bought a Canon.
by Anonymous on Sep 12, 2009 at 12:18pm Add comment
Looked at Ricoh Aficio GX2500 Colour Gel Printer, reported 1000 pages per cart @ about £150 for all B/C/M/Y refills but still seems expensive.

Kodak still looking best replacement so far.

by cowandgate on Sep 12, 2009 at 5:16pm Add comment
To Clayre,

It isn't necessary to buy a 34 cart if you are already printing with a black cart such as 23. Just refill it.

To refill just buy the ink and a syringe to inject the ink in either case.

Lexmark isn't using a chip in this cart to prevent refilling.

For more info on the 34 cart go back to msg #528 and read forward. Your msg is 586. Move your cursor over "reply" and look at the last number in your browser's navigation window to see the msg #.

To see how I refilled my black cart go to msg #459.
by opsman000 on Sep 13, 2009 at 4:07pm Add comment
Just a F.Y.I.
You cannot refill #23 or #24 if you have the Lexmark X4530.
(Not sure about other Lexmark printers that use this cart.)
If you buy the #23A and the #24A,those can be refilled. Of course they charge about $5 more for each cart but it is worth it since you can refill them.
Just remember to buy the carts with the "A" suffix after the number.
by smoaky on Sep 14, 2009 at 4:13am Add comment
I hate you lexmark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

well i too have been in the belly of the beast with my z2330. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES MESS WITH THE PRINT SPOOLER OPTIONS!! TOTALLY JUST FRIED MY PRINTER. well its okay i guess, but it shows that items are ready to print but wont do anything. try to fix it and it says the printer spooling service is not running. its jacked and i'm f****d. for the better i suppose seeing as now i take out my aggression on this wonderful $29.00 work of art. bought a cannon mx700 for the office. about $60.00. GREAT PRINTER!!! easy to refill. no chips or error messages. and no printheads that cost 100 a pop to replace every month like on the hp L7590. seriously people. . . give up on the lexmark. i've already dumped more money into trying to beat the machine than it would have cost to just buy another cannon. as soon as someone figures it out then lexmark will just change it so you'll be screwed all over again. dont beat them by refilling your cartridge. beat them by putting them out of business. i'm about to demolish my printer. i'll post if i find anything along the way.
by unknown on Sep 16, 2009 at 12:28am Add comment
"I hate you lexmark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!

I'm hearing you!!! Another bit of advice is smash the non refillable cartridges to pieces, them pack them in the lovely package for which Lexmark prepay the postage and send them back to these gangsters! Let them recycle them!!!! - Noelito40
Canon's print. Cannon's go boom!
by Anonymous on Sep 16, 2009 at 12:45am Add comment
scarlet380

"DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES MESS WITH THE PRINT SPOOLER OPTIONS!! TOTALLY JUST FRIED MY PRINTER" is a little OTT I fear.

The worst altering the [windows] Print Spooler options will do is simply not print at all. The reason being that Lexmark installs its own print processor and employs a bastardised version of the EMF data type [LEMF]. Their printers only understand the LEMF data type.

With regard to ditching Lexmark, it would seem there are quite a few colour laser printers around now with toner supplies that yield over 1,500 pages per toner cartridge.

Some companies offer toner refilling for some makes/models and some manufacturers are just cheaper anyway. eg Samsung CLP-310
A black original toner cart for that is around £45 [$50] which works out at around £0.03 per page!

c+g





by cowandgate on Sep 16, 2009 at 1:10am Add comment
I just called Lexmark and they told me my cart is refillable (#36xl). (Excuse me if I'm repeating this message...can't remember if I already posted...duh).
Do I have to peel back the sticker and drill a hole to refill? What about the copper strips then? Do I put tape over them? Can I do the same for the color #37? I've read all the posts but have become more confused. Could someone spell it out for me?

I loved my Canon but when I was told you can't do anything about the full waste ink pad, I dumped it. Now I see you CAN clean it out. Oh well. I will definitely get another Canon next time. I loved my printer, except for the occasional problem getting teeny tiny printing.

Anyway, I do like the wirlessness of my Lexmark, but I hate their price gouging and greed. Come on...$30 for 17 drops of ink!

I'm very happy to have found this web site forum. Ya gotta love the internet.
by kersplat on Sep 16, 2009 at 8:57am Add comment
To kersplat,

On the 36xl, just go to 4inkjets.com and buy a kit for 12 bucks. I just ordered a fax ribbon Mon, had it Wed am. $4 shipping. - opsman000
This has been said several times on this forum. And it's not what most people want to hear but it is the truth. Any sub $200.00 printer is really a disposable printer. Replacement inks are expensive. Parts are not available or are excessively expensive.

This holds true for all brands. Lexmarks are very low on most tech's list of quality ink jet printers. Dell printers being rebranded Lexmarks are also very low.

So you can't really win when it comes to any sub $200.00 printer. Quality and low price are just an illusion and just a ploy of Corporate marketing.

Atleast that's the way I have seen the industry go for the past 10+ years.
by Anonymous on Sep 16, 2009 at 9:16am Add comment
I disagree with the statement

"Replacement inks are expensive"

WRONG!

Its just manufacturers that are greedy!

Whilst I agree that some more expensive printers may be a little more reliable its not been my experience whilst servicing HP Laserjets for instance, and some models are far more than $200.

The "cheap" printers are mostly quite reliable I have found, but too expensive to run for most small businesses.

c+g
by cowandgate on Sep 16, 2009 at 6:52pm Add comment
So if no one agrees with your way of thing then they are wrong. Ok.
by Anonymous on Sep 16, 2009 at 9:52pm Add comment
To Anonymous,

I have to agree with c+g. The idea that printers under $200 are junk is just not true. The idea that Lexmark printers are junk just isn't true either. The 2500x at $60 originally is a great value for a multifunction printer. It's pics and features are comparable to Canon, HP, Epson, etc. but at a better price. In a high volume office environment though it may not be enough. At the office we used a Ricoh, great mach but look at the price. With Lexmark when it quits you just buy another one.

It's expected, at least from me, that ink carts are going to be higher to pay for the mach. They're expensive but we've shown you how to get around that by refilling. Now you just buy a replacement cart when the printhead quits working. Pretty had to beat. - opsman000
Still debating to get the Samsung laser or not. Its under $200.

Yes I think its wrong to say ink is expensive, its not, the manufacturers just want you to believe it is. There is a post of mine in this thread details bulk supplies of it from China, it does not cost much for a gallon!

I think the business model is the same for all ranges of printers, I do not see supplies of the "expensive" >$200 ones any cheaper per cartridge/toner, they make them cheaply in places like China then they make the cartridges very very cheaply and put cheap ink in them, then rip us all off from here to kingdom come. Then they don't like it when someone figures a way to defeat their plan.

Still think we need a "Green Printer".

c+g
by cowandgate on Sep 17, 2009 at 8:52am Add comment
I agree with C+G Lexmark printers are OK but it's their pricing policy at the cost of ink that is a problem, if they followed Kodak in their pricing strategy there wouldn't be a problem!
by lexmark-ater on Sep 17, 2009 at 12:21pm Add comment
Thanks, opsman. Great shipping price. (Usually another way to get ripped off....) I appreciate the heads up.
by kersplat on Sep 17, 2009 at 1:03pm Add comment
Hi,

Can someone explain why the Lexmark printer (Z2390) needs the spooler to have access to the Internet via the firewall before it will print - even offline?

Thanks
by Anonymous on Sep 18, 2009 at 2:10am Add comment
You should be able to switch it off

From the Help file:-

Can I end my participation in the future?
Ending your participation is very easy.

Click Start Programs or All Programs Lexmark xx00-xx00 Series.

Click Solution Center.

Select the Advanced tab.

Select Lexmark Connect to end your participation.
by cowandgate on Sep 18, 2009 at 6:05am Add comment
Thanks for responding.

There is no 'Solution Centre' in my Lexmark folder.

I don't think I am participating in any schemes. 'Lexmark Connect' is switched off in 'Customer Experience'

Thanks

A
by Anonymous on Sep 19, 2009 at 4:17am Add comment
by cowandgate on Sep 19, 2009 at 11:44am Add comment
To c+g

Gotta watch that site. They want to use their software to update your system for $$. Better just to go to Lexmark and go to support and update the drivers. - opsman000
Thanks for the responses.

I am wondering if updating the driver could make life even harder when refilling. Presumably, they will have even stricter software restrictions.

Any thoughts?

Best wishes

A
by Anonymous on Sep 20, 2009 at 4:55am Add comment
Anything is possible. My computer communicates with Lexmark all the time. They upgraded the firmware in the my x2500 a couple months ago. Tell me my eyes weren't popping out! It hasn't affected refilling.
- opsman000
If you have this running as a process (Ctrl+Alt+Del select Task Manager)

LXCQserv.exe

then go into Services (as Administrator) and set its Start Up option to Disabled.

Reboot and it should stop sending stuff to them.

c+g
by cowandgate on Sep 20, 2009 at 8:09am Add comment
I want Lexmark to know what I'm experiencing with my printer so they can correct any problems that they find. If they want to completely shut off refilling then they will completely shut themselves out of the marketplace.
by opsman000 on Sep 20, 2009 at 11:11am Add comment
If you take a look at the cartridges, you will notice they reference up to 6 patents. These patents relate to the process and construction of the Lexmark printers. Those engineers from Kentucky know how to use the system in america:
http://patft.uspto.gov
United States Patent 7,585,043

"A method of authenticating a consumable used in an imaging device includes the steps of providing the consumable with a memory; monitoring usage of the consumable; determining whether the consumable has reached a usage threshold; and, if the consumable has reached the usage threshold, then performing the further steps of: renewing the consumable; generating an authentication code signifying the renewing of the consumable; and storing the authentication code in the memory. "

One could reverse engineer this with an oscilloscope.

Good luck.
by unknown on Sep 20, 2009 at 9:00pm Add comment
The various patents have already been mentioned in this thread.

"One could reverse engineer this with an oscilloscope"

Maybe you could elaborate on the use of this in connection with Lexmark printers?

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by cowandgate on Sep 20, 2009 at 9:31pm Add comment
I refilled my Lexmark color cartridge 33 and got an error 1102. I tried removing it, turning off printer for 30 minutes, but it didn't help. I read about the electrical tape, so I used it to cover the middle 2 columns of contacts on the cartridge (bottom 5 rows). When I turned on my printer, it did not detect the color cartridge. I turned the printer off for 15 minutes, and when I turned it back on, the error 1102 was back. Frustrated, I removed the electrical tape from the contacts and put the cartridge back in the printer. Surprise!! The printer said it detected a cartridge change, asked if I wanted to align printheads. I selected the option, of course! Printer working perfectly again! Yay!! Take that, Lexmark!!
by unknown on Sep 21, 2009 at 6:46pm Add comment
Sounds like the contacts were dirty and putting the tape on then removing it cleaned them allowing the cart to then work.

Seriously considering the Samsung CLP-310 laser as 1000 pages per black cart/toner and same for colour sounds good to me, the printer is currently £94 on Amazon and the carts cost £24 each, yes the toner is cheaper than some Lexmark ink, ink that only does 100 or so full A4 prints if you are lucky.

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by cowandgate on Sep 21, 2009 at 7:30pm Add comment
Just read the small print on that, the Samsung ships with only the black toner, but i think its still worth considering as thats still under £170 for the whole lot.

Any more suggestions for alternatives that print cheaper than Lexmark?

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by cowandgate on Sep 22, 2009 at 1:22am Add comment
Sorry, my mistake, it ships with ALL toners, CMYB, but only low capacity ones apparently. Still looks a bargain.

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by cowandgate on Sep 22, 2009 at 3:16am Add comment
To zacphilix,

What was the cartridge #?
by opsman000 on Oct 6, 2009 at 8:46am Add comment
Sounds interesting. But I would like quite a bit more detail. opsman000 requested what is the cartridge #. And I would also ask what kind of tester and what settings were used. Also I hope we are talking about Lexmark carts here since this is what the topic originated about. IMHO we are getting a bit off topic.:-]
by smoaky on Oct 6, 2009 at 10:48am Add comment
zacphilix, that makes no sense at all, sorry.

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by cowandgate on Oct 6, 2009 at 2:24pm Add comment
Hi, spent all night reading this as getting 'out of ink' messages on my z1420.Did as suggested and went into properties,advanced, and selected winprint. Instant print with no pre-message!Will find out tomorrow when printing work sheets if it is a cure for me. Will let you know.Thanks for the moment.
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by tnarg8 on Oct 6, 2009 at 4:08pm Add comment
Thanks to scottzzz, just did a run on my z1420,under winprint,using same cartridge that only did single print and needing to check boxes and click continue on 'lemf'.Ran off all pages in one, if anything a touch slower than usual but hell of a lot quicker than single copies.now going to dig out the p915 and z31 and see if they can be brought back to life.
Keep up the good work!!!
Tnarg8.
by tnarg8 on Oct 7, 2009 at 1:29am