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 | Refilling HP 2600n.. by DaVillen (3/2/06 10:37 PM) reply | + / - | My HP ColorJet 2600n is going to run out of ink in the next couple of weeks and i was wondering if anyone has had any success refilling the cartridges. I've checked all over the net and it seems that only one dealer is selling Black 2600n toner on ebay, no other refill sites are selling 2600n toner. What are the chances of say HP 2500 series toner working on my 2600n model? Override can be implimented through the printer setup, so there will not be a need to change the chip.
Also does anyone have instructions on how to refill 2600n cartridges? That dealer on ebay is selling a hole making tool which looks very simular to a soldering iron. Wonder if my soldering iron would work.
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 | Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by moe  (3/3/06 8:17 AM) reply | -1 + / - | There is more to remanufacturing a cartridge than burning a hole in it and pouring toner in. There is a waste bin. If you don't empty it, then it will fill with waste toner before the second cycle is done and guess where the waste toner goes when it gets full? We used to call it "drill and fill". Now with new technology it's called "burn and fill". Still the same junk science that doesn't work.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by DaVillen (3/3/06 2:58 PM) reply | +1 + / - | How do you know it doesn't work? Can you prove it?
Why do online stores sell refill kits for most of the printers on the market if it didn't work.
If you didn't have success why do you asume everyone won't.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by dmzcompute (3/3/06 3:33 PM) reply | -1 + / - | Because there is always someone new who has not tried and refuses to listen to experts will always buy the product and become disappointed. Moe is an expert in this field having started his business as a toner remanufactuer many years ago. He knows what he is talking about and if you think he is wrong, then by all means waste your money on one of those kits.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Stephen (edited 3/3/06 4:41 PM) reply | -1 + / - | Online stores sell those kits because they make money on them. People buy them because they do not realize that parts in a toner cartridge are designed to last just a little longer than the toner, so when the toner is out the drum and blade will likely wear out soon thereafter. Then when the cartridge dumps toner all over the inside of the machine do you think they pay for the cleaning?
They are not concerned with your long term happiness or print quality.
One of my customers has finally realized that the remanufactured cartridges they buy are not worth the trouble they cause, and is now switching to OEM. (Rats, I'm going to make less money off them now)
To digress, this is akin to people buying cheap paper, then paying me an hours labor plus parts to change the rollers that wore out prematurely due to the cheap paper.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by theprinterman (3/3/06 5:20 PM) reply | +1 + / - | This is sooooo easy. I buy a refill kit from some outfit on the internet that I never heard of before and melt a hole in my cartridge with the hole melter they supply, and pour in my toner. I have a full cartridge and saved $$$$$$$$.
Since this outfit is on the internet and especially on EBAY(den of thieves)it must work!! They couldn't sell it if it didn't!!
WOW why doesn't everyone do this!!!
LOL!!
You can't write comedy this good!!
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by DaVillen (3/4/06 4:48 PM) reply | +1 + / - | Well i guess i'll have to learn the hard way. Toner is on the way and i'll let you guys know how it goes sometime next week when i refill.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Stephen (3/4/06 5:38 PM) reply | + / - | It will work initially, but when the print quality gets bad and you open your machine and find toner spilled in it, then you will have second thoughts.
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 | Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by moe (3/4/06 6:20 PM) reply | + / - | Oh my god! Oh my god! I just punched in 2600N toner in the eBay search engine. Oh my god! Someone took my idea of selling the printers to the endless supply of morons who inhabit eBay. There are 2 of them right now that the morons have bid up to over $200! There is no toner in them. Now these are printers that retail all day at $399 with a full set of toners. I didn't investigate much further, but someone (don't know if it's the same guy) is selling a set of new toners for close to $300. ROTFLMAO! That's $500 for a $399 printer that is usually on sale for $299. I bought a couple for $239 each at Office Depot some months ago. So my idea of buying the printer and when it's empty, sell it on eBay since a set of toners cost more than the printer, is a good one. Got to love free enterprise. BTW, a hole melting tool is $28! I can buy the damn soldering iron for $.99 and a couple bucks more for the hole melting part. Then another $25 for $5 worth of black toner!
If you're ever bored and need entertainment, eBay is the place. Want some Rottweiller drool for $50? Oh, if you go to jesuspan.com you can buy your very own pan to burn an image of Jesus on pancakes. That's what one enterprising individual did. Yep, was selling it on eBay. Got on TV, newspapers and everything. Whoever said life is stranger than fiction wasn't kidding.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by DaVillen (3/5/06 10:37 AM) reply | + / - | Moe: It doesn't make sence to me. Some other dealer is selling a 2600n with no toner for $141 CND Buy it now. LOL
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (8/17/06 8:23 AM) reply | + / - | Hi ,
if we can overide the warning message in hp 2600n, that means i could get it refilled and use it again ? there are small vendors here in our local market in india, who do the job for refilling the toners . he also says the drummer can be replaced if the quality goes down for mere 9$ .
Do let me know if any suggestions u guy have for me !
Regards
Crimemaster_g0g0
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (10/5/06 11:15 PM) reply | +1 + / - |
1. No need for a hacker to get around the print counter.
Page 94 of the User Guide has the following instructions for those who would like to use the toner beyond their replacement time:
Configuration
Cartridge Out Override can only be enabled from the printer’s control panel menu.
1. From the main menu, press (RIGHT ARROW) to System setup and press (SELECT).
2. Press (RIGHT ARROW) to Print quality and press (SELECT).
3. Press (RIGHT ARROW) to Replace supplies and press (SELECT).
4. Press (RIGHT ARROW) to Override out and press (SELECT).
5. Press (SELECT).
If Stop at out is selected, the printer will stop printing when a cartridge reaches the
recommended replacement point. If Override out is selected, the printer will continue
printing when a cartridge reaches the recommended replacement point. The factory default
setting is Stop at out.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (10/6/06 12:45 AM) reply | + / - | Btw, you cannot use 2500 series cartridges in a 2600. Won't fit.
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 | Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Knight (2/12/07 1:15 PM) reply | + / - | Laserjets are moneypits bought by dumb yuppies who just have to have them. Long live cheap inkjets where the bulk ink flows freely and the cost per page is a fraction of a cent.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by westfw (2/12/07 6:43 PM) reply | + / - | That's funny, since one of the big reasons I had for getting a laser
was that the ink DIDN'T "flow freely" in my cheap (and not-so-cheap)
inkjet aio's. Apparently I don't print often enough to keep the
heads from drying up. The most recent canon mp460 seems to be
holding up better, but it doesn't have bulk ink; just those annoying
cartridges with built-in printheads. Care to recommend a cheap inkjet
with bulk ink that works when used only occasionally?
My 2600n cartridges are running out, and I've got some bulk HP toner
to try the refill thing. Worst that will happen is that I'll wreck the
printer and have to spend another $350 on a new printer, which still
isn't bad compared to $340 for a set of new cartridges.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Knight (2/13/07 4:07 AM) reply | + / - | Epsons clog a lot and people hate them for that reason. Canon on the other hand is building a very dependable inkjet right now.
I'd recommend the Canon IP4300, Staples.com is having a sale Feb 18-24, 2007 where it will be priced at $59.99.
For good quality bulk ink I'd recommend Hobbicolors which is sold on eBay. It's been tested a lot over at the nifty forums and it works pretty well.
http://search.ebay.com/hobbicolors
For a good cheap All-IN-ONE I would recommend the Canon MP510. It has the same separate ink carts like the 4300 and can use the same hobbicolors refill kit. The cheapest I have seen it is $120 online at buy.com with free shipping or $89 at Fry's after rebate.
I use a separate scanner & printer setup myself but can see how some users want the All-IN-ONES.
Those two are the lowest price models I would recommend. There are better Canon models but the price starts going up. Since you have invested so much in the Laserjet you might not have the funds to switch over to the MP530 or MP830 which are business models or the photo models like the MP600 and MP810 depending on your use and needs.
http://www.usa.canon.com
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| Re: Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by westfw (2/13/07 2:56 PM) reply | + / - | I knew the 2600n was probably disposable when I got it, and it's lasted about
18 months with relatively even toner depletion, so I'm not displeased with
it overall (the epson aio that didn't get through its first set of cartridges
without clogging was much more frustrating.) Are ALL the canons pretty
good? I dislike being stuck with AIOs for my inkjet, but I don't have
deskspace for separate scanner/printer, and the offline copy ability is very useful.
Well, I've got the bulk toner ($10/bottle at weirdstuff) and I found instructions
that include cleaning out the waste area, so I'll let y'all know how it goes
once the cartridges have gasped their last gasp.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by westfw (2/16/07 12:25 AM) reply | + / - | Huh. As part of getting the last pages out of my theoretically empty black cartridge, I removed the cartridge and gently shook it, which I though was pretty much standard procedure. Now I'm getting vertical dark streaks (and maybe some extra black toner on the page as a whole.) That's not a good start to refilling things. What happened? Is it fixable? I don't see any imperfections on the part of the drum that is visible. (is this the waste bin seeping back into the cartridge or something?) Grr.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by moe (2/16/07 9:33 AM) reply | + / - | Never shake a toner cartridge. You rock them back and forth to redistribute toner. Shaking them will cause toner to spill out of the waste bin.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by westfw (2/20/07 3:30 PM) reply | + / - | By "gently shake" I meant rock/invert/rotate. What happens when
toner spills out of the waste bin? (there's no visible toner
leakage outside the cartridge. Did it spill internally? That
might explain the symptoms.) Is it fixable? Will it go away
after printing some dirt sheets?
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| Shaking toner cartridges. by pldoolittle (2/20/07 11:44 PM) reply | + / - | Good questions. I have been doing this for years and just thought that some toner leakage was normal. In fact, I was just shaking my 2600 black while searching for way to make the 2600 keep printing.
Moe, can you school an old techie in the care and feeding of toner cartridges?
Philip
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by moe (2/21/07 8:38 AM) reply | + / - | What would you like to know my son?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Steven R Hardy (2/26/07 1:40 AM) reply | + / - | In the interest of science, I have pried open my first used black cartrige, and have even taken a picture .
Here is what I have learned.
1. Yes ,they really do glue the top on.
2 Close examination reveals that the OPC and all components,after 2500 sheets, are in very good condition.
I am going to take the risk and refill the next time around.If something goes wrong....I will call myself to repair it (i aint saying who I work for)If you wanna see the pic, i would be happy to email to you ...its 1.174 meg.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by fishfingers (3/4/07 7:05 PM) reply | + / - | Luckily I kept all my toners for this hungry beast of a printer. Just learned of the override function. One of the black toners that stopped printing at 2400 pages has just cranked through another 700 pages with the override on. I think this is very dodgey of HP. I reckon its a rip off. Personally, I like changing cartridges when they're really empty, and not when the printer "tells" me its empty.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Stephen (3/4/07 7:13 PM) reply | + / - | Well, on the other side of the argument if the printer didn't tell you when it thought the cartridges were empty there might be times you would start a large print and waste a lot of paper.
You could also be producing documents of some importance and put out bad pages in the middle of them, which might not be noticed until after the documents were disbursed.
These might not be concerns for every user, but one of my customers with a couple of CLJ 4600's recently had to print a copy of the proposed budget for every Congressman, wouldn't want to put out that with print quality problems due to trying to get the last bit out of a cartridge.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (3/6/07 12:49 PM) reply | + / - | I see your point however, I wouldn't recommend using this printer for large print jobs -its too slow. Your comment about me trying to get the last bit out of a cartridge is a little unfair. I got an extra 30% (700 pages) use out of the black toner just by overriding the printer's own wisdom to want to stop printing when it thought it needed to. I'll keep you all posted on the 20 other "empty" toners I still have to really empty.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by moe (3/6/07 7:03 PM) reply | + / - | I tape over the windows on my 4550 toner cartridges to fool the printer into thinking they are full. Get hundreds of extra pages that way. If you're not printing huge runs, you can get away with it without wasting too much paper when it really gets empty. Good to the last drop as they say.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by fishfingers (3/18/07 3:40 PM) reply | + / - | another 811 pages out of a supposedly empty black toner (30% extra)......
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (3/19/07 6:56 PM) reply | + / - | Was that page count or toner level empty?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by fishfingers (4/2/07 2:39 PM) reply | + / - | it was an extra 811 pages on top of the toner level empty indicator on the printer. I used the toner until the print quality dropped off -the pages had a dirty grey background, although all the text was still being printed.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by ted583 (4/8/07 6:04 AM) reply | + / - | Does anyone know if their is a difference between 2550 toner and 2600 toner?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (4/11/07 1:04 AM) reply | + / - | Yah, one is for an inline printer and the other is for a carousel printer. Don't even think about trying to use one in the other.
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 | Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (4/20/07 12:57 PM) reply | + / - | My experience with 2600n, is that the B&W does not print 2000 pages as it advertised, and is surprised to see you guys able to use it till the last drop. Can you please teach me how to do the "override" so the printer will think the cartridge is not empty, B&W plus color ones? To buy all 4 cartridges costs more than to buy a new printer($299 with promo discout)from Office Depot. Thanks. Charles
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| Re: Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by c_goz (4/21/07 11:26 AM) reply | + / - | Advertised page yields are based on 5% page coverage (basically a 2 paragraph business letter). Covering more of the page uses more toner, and thus yeilds less printed pages.
Toner low thresholds are usually located in the HP toolbox, and default low threshold for similar machines (I do not currently have a 2600, but have many other CLJ's) is typically 30%, the highest setting. These can be changed to as low as 1%, just be aware that you can go from toner low to toner out in about 25 pages.
As for DIY refilling: I wouldn't recommend it. Users may have been able to get away drill/burn and fill in older LJ printers, but the faster machines and smaller cartridges of today leave little room for error. On top of the fact that you bought a machine that provides good color output, and I'm assuming you'd like it to stay that way. There are cost effective good quality alternatives to OEM products, but if you think that a soldering iron, some duct tape and a bottle of toner are going to give you the same quality you got from HP, most will be sadly disappointed.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by aytac (4/23/07 3:46 PM) reply | + / - | i used delecamp toner, very good printouts,but filling hp clj2600/2605 alittle bit diffucult.
for hp new chips somepeople solve codes and they can reset hp chips and selling reseting device. w.chipreseting.com
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| Re: Re: Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (4/24/07 9:07 AM) reply | + / - | Thanks. I assume the HP toolbox is the printer software, where I can change the configuration? Will it help to pull out all 4 toner cartrige and lightly shake them horizontally and put them back to get more printing?
Thanks again. Charles
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| Re: Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (4/29/07 7:51 PM) reply | + / - | Hello, I´ve read your message and I´d like to know if It functions only when my toner is in the end? or can I always do it without change the chip? is there a software or clue to reset the chip without changing it? thanks a lot
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by westfw (5/3/07 9:35 AM) reply | + / - | well, I said I'd let people know what happened...
After about 200 pages beyond the "out of toner" message, the printer was clearly running out of black toner. So I melted holes with a heated punch, emptied the waste bin, and poured in some c3105a black toner (for laserjet 5c, comes in bottles, $5 at weirdstuff.) That part all went fine; less messy that I would have expected, even!
However, apparently there is less commonality in HP toners than I had hoped for. The black toner now gets all over the page in streaks, and I consider that I have completely BROKEN the black cartridge. Sigh. I was SO hoping that the cheap toner would extend the life of those expensive cartridges. I guess not. Or perhaps I simply overfilled the cartridge? Whatever; an unsuccessful effort.
I was otherwise happy with the HP2600n, and I've ordered a new 2600dn from officemax ($299; a new duplex printer, cheaper than a new set of cartridges for the old printer. What a waste. Sigh.)
I was a bit shocked at the amount of toner in the "waste bin."
Think I could get more pages by moving that back into the main toner compartment? I can still experiment, eh? And soon I'll have a new printer to experiment with, and and "extra" set of (empty or nearly empty) cartridges.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by pldoolittle (5/3/07 9:53 AM) reply | + / - | > I was a bit shocked at the amount of toner in the "waste bin."
I've always wondered that as well. Is there a tutorial/demo on the inner workings of a toner cart?
Also, page for page is a new printer truly cheaper than new cartridges? If so, that is hideously wasteful and bad for the environment. I'm not generally environmentally conscious, but a 6yr old can figure that one out.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by fishfingers (5/3/07 1:36 PM) reply | + / - | Yes, this is all extremely dodgey on the part of HP. We have literally gone from purchasing at least a new set of toner cartridges each month (based on the printer telling us that toners are empty and stopping printing) to seeing the black printing at least 30% more pages and (more shockingly) the colour cartridges running through to 5000 pages. The printer was previously telling us to replace colour toners after about 1800 pages. As I've said before, I've kept all my toners and I'm carefully documenting our situation. I have spoken on the phone twice to HP and they have said they will train their support staff on the issue..... Trouble is it is now taking so long to empty the toners, by the time I've gone through all our used ones we could have an old non issue on our hands. We spent a fortune in toners keeping this hungry beast running in the first 4-5 months
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Charles Yao (5/3/07 2:21 PM) reply | + / - | Thank you guys for the tips on extending the toner life via menu selections!
Charles
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (5/3/07 11:51 PM) reply | + / - | "I have spoken on the phone twice to HP and they have said they will train their support staff on the issue"
Thats just too funny. HP sets the limits on the cartridges where they are because they can guarentee the cartridges for that amount of life. Beyond that they can't promise quality. If you don't like it why didn't you read up on the lifespan of the cartridges before you bought the printer? That would seem to be a pretty important step in deciding what machine to buy. Its like not reading up on the media specs of the printer and then calling in and bitching about poor print quality on out of spec media.
I hear dozens of calls just like every week. HP isn't going to train their staff any differently. The limits for the cartridges won't change. If they wind up lasting longer HP will just lower the amount of onboard toner. As for printer disposal HP does recycle. www.hp.com/recycle
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (5/5/07 1:50 AM) reply | + / - | Sorry, I'm not too good at conveying sarcasim in my e mails. When HP said they would train their staff on the issue I laughed myself silly and thought "yeah right.....". Oh and yes I did read up on the specs of this printer before buying it but just didn't appreciate that when HP say a colour catridge is good for X no. of pages I stupidly assumed that once that cartridge reached it's limit it would fail and I would have to replace it. I did not expect what happens in reality with all three colour cartridges always all "emptying" at exactly the same time and then to subsequently find that a simple (not greatly publicised)override would enable me to nearly triple my page yield with the colour cartridges. I mean what's the point in having the separate colour ink toners when they're set to all fail at the same time? They might as well go back to the old school days of having one tri colour cartridge. It certainly hits you in the pocket when instead of getting 2000 pages out of each colour toner (based on the amount of that toner's useage)you in fact only get 2000 pages for each set of three colour toners. I'm very happy to now get colour toner page counts near 5000 AND only have to replace the individual colour toner as required intsead of as instructed by HP via the printer completely stopping all print jobs.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by pldoolittle (5/15/07 6:16 PM) reply | + / - | Well, I have run my HP branded color cartridges well past their rated lifespan. They are printing fine, but now leaking toner just below the roller...
Any thoughts?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by moe (edited 5/15/07 8:46 PM) reply | + / - | This is way too easy. Buy new cartridges. Wait, I think it's cheaper to just buy a new printer than a set of cartridges.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by snowman53 (5/15/07 10:16 PM) reply | + / - | OK, I tried the re-fill route & the results were not good. Pages are have a dirty grey color & occasional blotches of color.
Anyone have better experience?
Suggestions on how to fix mine?
Thanks!
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by pldoolittle (edited 5/24/07 11:48 AM) reply | + / - | > This is way too easy. Buy new cartridges. Wait, I think it's
> cheaper to just buy a new printer than a set of cartridges.
Thanks! I never would have though of that! ;)
What I meant was did anyone have any ideas on what was happening internally to the cart. Is this a waste bin overflow, or a wiper failure?
If it's a waste bin overflow, then the waste bin is significantly smaller than the supply bin. Perhaps "drill and suck" may be required for extended use of these carts.
If it's a wiper problem, then these carts are designed for premature failure. I have 2P carts that have lived past 5k w/o any seal failures.
FWIW, the Cyan and Magenta are on 5600+ pages and still printing strong other than toner leakage. Interestingly, the yellow has been swapped, but it shows 5600ppg just like C&M
My printer, however has very faint color/greyish bars consistently across the entire on the paper. To someone not looking, it almost looks like the paper itself has a slight pinkish/grey/blue tint. Other than that, what are the effects of toner leakage on the printer? Is the unwanted color fixable by simple cart replacement? I suspect so, as it does not appear to happen when printing in mono.
Philip
P.S. Why was this message flagged for review? I can't see anything that might violate TOS.
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| Refilling HP 2600n.. by snowman53 (5/28/07 2:28 PM) reply | + / - | Philip,
Did you solve the greyish color on the pages?
I have the same problem after refilling the cart's (after emptying the waste bin's).
I noticed that the transfer roller seems to have a lot of toner on it after making a couple prints. Is that where the problem comes from?
Anyone have suggestions on curing the greyish colors?
Thanks!
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by fishfingers (5/28/07 3:10 PM) reply | + / - | Is the greyish colour across the entire sheet as a weak background? By this I mean, if you print the "print quality troubleshooting page" and you see the grey colour extending to the edges of the paper past the colour bands you've got a problem that I've only been able to fix buy either running the cleaning utility (rarely fixes the problem) or replacing the black toner.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by jk_nvs@yahoo.co.in (edited 6/29/07 1:46 AM) reply | + / - | Hi,
it is possible to refill cartridge for hp 2600n
but it is little bit difficult.
You can get the information from the following link :
www.futuregraphicsllc.com
you can get detailed procedure with photographs.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by pldoolittle (5/29/07 6:21 AM) reply | + / - | No, I did not fix it yet. But all I have done is a through clean and vacuum of the printer and an alcohol wipedown of the transfer "roller/sheet"
It does not happen when using black only (grayscale). The black cart is new (lt 1k sheets). It does appear when using color. Those carts are 5k+ sheets. A close inspection reveals that the grey is actually Mag/Cyan/Yel. More magenta than anything else.
I suspect the wiper blade and/or over full waste bins. That causes a light dusting on the transfer roller/sheet which translates into a grey "background" as described earlier.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by pldoolittle (5/29/07 6:25 AM) reply | + / - | > Is the greyish colour across the entire sheet as a weak background?
Yes, that is a good description. The cleaning utility does not fix the problem or even reduce it.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by snowman53 (5/29/07 8:25 AM) reply | + / - | pldoolittle's response is a good discription of what I am seeing as well, although I also get occasional blotches (~1/8") of random color. These cart's had been sitting around for six months or so before refilling, if that suggests anything.
I have only run a few pages since re-filling the cart's & the waste bins were emptied before re-filling. Cleaning utility did nothing, cleaning the transfer roller has minimal effect, it is dirty again after printing one page.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by moe (5/29/07 10:09 AM) reply | + / - | Those cartridges give "professional" refillers problems. They are definitely not something that one should be doing for his own printer. Unless you are set up for it and are doing it for a living, it would be best to leave it to the "professionals". Mind you, not all of the people doing it for a living are good. There are a lot of hacks out there who do it on the cheap and their results bear that out.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by pldoolittle (5/29/07 10:16 AM) reply | + / - | Moe,
Regarding the excess toner/greying: Is 5k pages the useful lifespan for these carts or am I just looking at a full waste bin that's causing spillage? I don't want to toss 3 carts that are still printing, but I also do not wish to waste any time on a cart that worth salvaging.
Philip
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by cihangir (5/31/07 7:32 AM) reply | + / - | Re: Refilling HP 2600n..
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by sanjaybohra (6/8/07 10:40 PM) reply | + / - | can any one help me and let me know as how can we remove the toner in the waste bin and how can we remove and replace the OPC DRUM. ?? and one more thing. when i refilled my hp 2600n all four cartridges the print quality was very bad...! can u plz let me know as under wat circumstances does these cartridges print very light and a bad qaulity.. awaiting your reply at the earliest.. very urgent..
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by sue o (6/10/07 8:27 AM) reply | + / - | You must drill a hole and vaccum out the waste toner. The drum must be cut in order to remove it. It has been noted several times in this post that this is a very difficult cartridge to remanufacture. If you are having print quality problems, I would question the person that refilled them, or check with the company that sold the toner as it would seem that one or the other, or both is the problem. If you insist on doing your own remanufacturing, do like the rest of us and spend some time on trial and error until you find a system, including toner and drum, that works for you. Or, you could find a remanufacturer that guaranties their work and let them save you the time and hassle. Good luck.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by fishfingers (6/10/07 1:47 PM) reply | + / - | .....or you could just continue with the override to obtain more pages per cartridge. I routinely get 6500 pages out of the colour cartridges before having to replace -and that's usually due to the waste being full
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by moe (6/10/07 7:50 PM) reply | + / - | You couldn't be using very much color per page to get that kind of page count.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by fishfingers (6/10/07 8:34 PM) reply | + / - | Yeah, I guess you're right. But for us it's reality and we only need to replace each colour as required vs every colour under the HP controlled scheme. Sometimes it's really hard to educate people to refrain from colour printing a 50 page doc that has 10 pages containing a few coloured dots on them. We're definitely saving a stack of money now though
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (6/10/07 11:31 PM) reply | + / - | i bought the hp color laserjet 2700 model
i noticed the black printout is very dark (high quality)
how do i reduce the density of the black so i can save more toner and print more pages?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (6/10/07 11:36 PM) reply | + / - | i bought the hp color laserjet 2700 model
i noticed the black printout is very dark (high quality)
how do i reduce the density of the black so i can save more toner and print more pages?
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by pldoolittle (6/11/07 7:16 AM) reply | + / - | > Yeah, I guess you're right. But for us it's reality and we
> only need to replace each colour as required vs every colour
> under the HP controlled scheme. Sometimes it's really hard to
> educate people to refrain from colour printing a 50 page doc
> that has 10 pages containing a few coloured dots on them.
> We're definitely saving a stack of money now though
With your high color page count and statements, I suspect that you would benefit greatly by setting the default printing preferences to grayscale only, and then requiring that the user manually change preferences to full color on an as needed basis.
For those who are unaware; unless you specify grayscale only, 100% black pages are counted as color pages and increment the color cart's page count. i.e. If you print ~2k-2500 B&W pages with ZERO color, the printer will show all your color carts as gone.
For max utilization, DO NOT print all black pages w/o setting grayscale only in the printing preferences.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by pldoolittle (edited 6/11/07 7:44 AM) reply | +1 + / - | > We're definitely saving a stack of money now though
This is a very important point to remember about this printer. If you do attempt to refill carts, replace chips, use the override well beyond design spec, etc and you wreck the printer; WHO CARES! You were going to spend $300 anyway. Either you spend it now on new carts, or you take a shot at saving money, and (potentially) spend it later on a new printer.
Even if it was a 100% certainty that using the override until the carts are shot would wreck the printer, you have a 100% chance of spending LESS money by working the printer to it's death and then replacing it.
And for those in a situation where print quality is a must; Instead of buying a new set of toners, buy a new printer. Use the old printer (in override) for daily jobs that do not require absolute quality and use the new printer for critical jobs. You've still spent less than new carts, and you now have 2 printers.
BTW, Tiger Direct has refurb 2600's with a set of carts for $199.00
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by ted583 (6/13/07 1:30 AM) reply | + / - | I would also suggest that perhaps the chip does not need to be replaced if the printer is in overide mode? And, when filling, make 2 smaller holes at both ends of waste and toner hoppers, and use a vacuum cleaner to suck out all residue. I have not tried it. Worth a go though. Who cares about warranties or damage. If you damaged the machine, as people have said it is cheaper to buy a new printer than a new set of cartridges. We live in an intelligently, sustainable world don't we. We can always trust business to lead the way when it comes to the environment....not. I know i have the power to choose to buy refilled cartridges to help the environment. It becomes too tempting when you get a new warranty each time you buy a new printer.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by fivehoopers (6/13/07 8:57 AM) reply | + / - | It looks like buying a new 2600n printer is smarter than buying 4 new toners. However, are the toner cartridges that come with the printer "full" or are they only partially full (like inkjet cartridges that come with inkjet printers)?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by moe (6/13/07 9:16 AM) reply | + / - | Strangely enough, they are full.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by tsellers (6/15/07 11:15 AM) reply | + / - | Don't use the link noted above as it has malware which tried to hijack my browser:
www.futuregraphicsll.com
Costco was selling the 2605dn printer with a $150.00 rebate a month ago, they were sold out within a day of going up. They also listed the cart's for $90.00. I had purchased a Samsung CLP510 last fall and hadn't even used up the starter cart's yet and it would not fuse toner to the Avery clear labels I was trying to print. So I took it back to Costco and got a refund of $389.00 CAD and then got the HP, pocketing $50.00 for my troubles. (It was even amusing to watch the "majors" guy who was paged to the returns counter inspecting my return and nicking his finger for all his trouble to open the panel on the printer without removing it from the packing box, to try and see if I was trying to rip them off by returning a printer with no toner cart's in it.) I guess at the advanced age of 57 years old wearing a baseball hat and Patagonia fleece jacket I fit the profile of a scammer or something. He looked disapointed when he was unable to find any missing parts such as the CD or cart's and thus deny my return. Fortunately the refill cart's and chips I had just purchased for the Samsung and never opened were taken back by the vendor and they credited me for 2600 chemical toner.
I used the reset override after printing too many brochures with a solid magenta background, which gave me the toner out message after about 80 pages on the new cart's that came with the 2605.
The nice thing about this is if HP is manufacturing cart's in an environmentally irresponsible manner that wastes a lot of toner, etc., and you end up returning the unit to Costco, HP is the one that ends up eating it, not Costco. I would hope the same holds true for units that may be returned to the other major vendors.
After using my old Epson Stylus color 900 for years with a bulk feed system installed for printing brochures, it finally has given up the ghost, it's so old I can't rejuvenate the rubber rollers anymore and the heads truly do seem trashed now. Inkjet labels don't work well on bottles filled with lotions and sprays even if they are laminated or printed on so-called weatherproof inkjet stock, so a laser for weatherproof labels is a must, but bulk feed inkjet is definetly the way to go for brochures.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by moe (6/15/07 11:37 AM) reply | + / - | I have deleted the link to prevent anyone else from clicking on it. Thanks for the heads up.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by ted583 (6/16/07 12:50 AM) reply | + / - | I have a mac which is immune to malware. Try this link instead http://www.tonerrefillkits.com Go to HP 2600N and click on the show me how button.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by moe (edited 6/16/07 7:44 AM) reply | + / - | There are many, many posts on tonerrefillkits on this site. None of them are favorable. Buy their really expensive toner and burn a hole in your cartridge. Hope the waste hopper isn't too full, hope the wiper blade will go another cycle, hope the drum isn't too worn. Looks good on paper, but reality says it doesn't work.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n/TonerRefillKits.com by JohnGalt (6/18/07 12:45 PM) reply | + / - | Though I, nor any of our employees, have ever taken the time to respond to comments appearing about our company, www.TonerRefillKits.com, or our ReChargX products on this site (in spite of the contentions over the years that we must have had people appear in the forum as "shils"), this time I decided I would weigh in with a few simple comments.
Though I could regale everyone with the fact our company has remanufactured more than 1.2 million cartridges in its quarter-century in the toner and toner cartridge remanufacturing business before ever offering our first ReChargX toner refill kit on line on our web site (before "Ron and Cheryl" started their laser-printed newsletter, when "Rob and Gene" were a team or when "Bill" only sold bags, comments only those of us who truly were around when this whole remanufacturing industry started would understand the meaning of), I won't.
I will simply point out that "expert" proclamations about why our ReChargX products shouldn't work aside, those proclamations fail to explain how we could possibly be selling ReChargX brand toner refill kits on line for more than nine years and how we could not only survive, but thrive, since we offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee (with that money back guarantee, if our stuff didn't work as claimed for the overwhelming majority of our customers, we would have refunded ourselves right out of business early on).
As stated on every page of our web site, our guarantee is exceedingly simple: If the customer is not delighted with their results, we haven't earned their money and they are entitled to a refund or replacement.
But, lest the "experts" contend our www.TonerRefillKits.com guarantee is somehow "tricky" or hard to collect on, it contains no fine print, imposes no re-stocking fee, and is completely without any time limit (we even have people who have called about product they bought five or more years ago, retired that printer, found the ReChargX kit for that retired printer in a closet, cabinet, garage, etc. and ask if they can send that back for a complete refund and they are shocked to hear the answer is always, "Yes.")
(Try that with any of the OEM's or fellow remanufacturers and see how it goes...)
And, since our guarantee leaves the choice of refund or replacement up to the customer, the "experts" can't even claim the way we are able to keep doing what we have been doing for nearly ten years is that the customer is then stuck with a "credit" at our company.
Not true. If they want a refund, a refund is what they get. If they want a replacement, we are more than happy to oblige them, as well.
We depend on and have had the good fortune of receiving multiple repeat orders from thousands and thousands of satisfied customers over the years. And, the only way we know of to earn those repeat orders is to do the same thing we have been doing throughout our entire 25 years in the toner business, treat the next order as the most important one and make certain that customer is happy, one order at a time, one customer at a time.
We also know the only way to keep the doors open and move forward for another 9+ online years (or 25 more total years) is to make certain our products do exactly what we say they will do and to keep offering our straightforward guarantee.
But (and here is the entre "experts" might have been looking for but will be disappointed in their inability to use it against us), our guarantee is not a "no questions asked" guarantee. Far from it.
When someone calls for a refund or replacement, we always ask questions because we are sincerely interested in knowing how the product failed to deliver what the customer was expecting, what we could have done better, or how we could have better explained the process, etc.
In no way do those questions and their answers affect their right to a refund or replacement, we simply want to know how we let them down in order to keep the same thing from happening in the future to someone else.
Our products were designed for those folks who realize the cartridge that was working yesterday and isn't working today flashing a toner low/toner empty/replace toner message, didn't miraculously break overnight (the drum didn't fail last night, the wiper blade didn't fail last night), it simply ran out of "gas" (they understand what we mean when we say, "It's Empty, Not Broken...")
They also understand that if they can quickly/easily add more "gas" (toner) to the "gas tank", it will work a good while longer (and, again, we guarantee it will do so).
In fact, even if their cartridge dies earlier than our 2 - 4 complete refill estimate, they still are entitled to a refund or replacement.
Why would we do that (or, better yet, how could we afford to do that if the "expert's" claim that refilling cartridges via our methods is destined to fail was accurate)?
We can easily do that and how we can do it is common sense... Premature failure happens so rarely that when it does happen, we want that customer to come back, even if it is on our dime (again, if it happened anywhere even near a fraction as often as the "experts" claim, we and our guarantee would have been history early on, not thriving after 9+ years)!
Beyond the guarantee and the guaranteed performance, the main reason our customers keep coming back is because our average ReChargX savings vs. the office superstore new cartridge price is 70%!
Do we have the least expensive toner in the world? No. Can bottle or bulk toner be had for less? Of course. Can it easily be had for less from the "big guys" (main industry suppliers)? Nope. Minimum orders, requisite resale numbers, no tech support for end users.
In fairness, the big suppliers aren't in the business of hand-holding the end user/little guy. They are geared to work with the remanufacturers so don't expect them to hand hold the end users.
But, our entire business revolves around the end user who wants to refill their cartridge quickly and for large savings. The "onesy-twosy" customer is our typical customer (though we do have many, many large customers, as well) and that is who we are here to support.
Is melting a hole in the cartridge and adding more toner (and removing waste toner as needed which we do also show contrary to other misinformation contained in this thread) the only way to bring a cartridge back to life? Of course not.
You can buy new cartridges, completely remanufactured, partially remanufactured, cleaned and refilled, toner refill kits, etc. All are viable choices, choices the customer gets to make thanks to the companies offering those options.
And, unlike just about every self-proclaimed "expert" weighing in with an opinion about our company or our products, we have no axe to grind with someone who chooses to "feed" their printer in some fashion other than ours.
Want to only buy new cartridges directly from the OEM? Great. Go for it.
Want to only buy the most completely remanufactured cartridges available with all new components? Do it.
Want to buy cartridges that have only had the drum and wiper blade replaced? If it works for you, have a ball.
Want to pay someone to basically clean out the cartridge and simply refill it? That's your call.
Want to buy our products? We welcome you with open arms.
But, unfortunately, as you will notice looking through the threads over the years, we have the unique distinction of being the only "feed your printer" methodology that makes "experts" start slinging mud off their soapbox perch.
We're used to it and our customers even laugh about it when they are exposed to it.
Now, are we saying our method is the best way to bring a toner cartridge back to life? Depends on who you ask and what their goal is.
HP would say, "No."
Verbatim, LTI, GRC, et al, would say, "No."
The office superstores would say, "No."
Is making a hole in the cartridge the way any of the "experts" would recommend doing it? No.
Is it the way we do it in the full-blown remanufacturing side of the business? No. (Well, okay, as you might already be aware if you truly are an expert in cartridge remanufacturing, "hole-poking" IS the way we would both have to do it in this HP 2600 case as all of the big suppliers sell spinning/drill-powered bits or heated bits to make the same hole in the hopper that our inexpensive tool makes in the hopper since there is no other easy way to get toner out of and into the new toner hopper on the 1600/2600. Check out their web sites to find their equivalent of our $12.95 "hole-o-matic" toner port tool kit).
But, for those same types of frugal, "hands-on" people who will run out to Walmart, buy a big old jug of oil and change their own oil (some even "daring" to be as "wild" as changing their oil without replacing the filter - auto "experts" rise up and sling arrows at them, as well), the thousands and thousands of people who have used our completely guaranteed products (the same ones who have volutarily provided the hundreds and hundreds of real testimonials displayed on our web site), they would say yes, this is the way to go.
Does that make them wrong?
Does that make the "experts" right, HP right, us right, the big remanufacturers right?
No. Simply put, in the eyes of that customer it was what was right for them and they are the only ones who get to decide in that regard (and if they weren't happy with the results obtained using our products if that was the direction they chose to go, they get a refund or replacement).
One last thing, a comment was made that there are "many, many posts on www.TonerRefillKits.com on this site. None of them are favorable..."
That statement, technically, is true. But, the reality is, the way I have seen those "none of them favorable" posts go is some newbie dares to ask in the forum about our products, then some "expert" chimes in and goes on to disparage us and our products (one has to look no farther than earlier in this thread to see that is exactly the case.)
Again, though, since for some reason refilling your own cartridge via our methods seems to draw ire, we are accustomed to it.
Though my "brief" comments went on far longer than planned, I am glad to have finally provided the ReChargX/TonerRefillKits.com side of the story and won't weigh in with further comments (and hope that this appears in its entirety).
We have been eating, drinking, sleeping, wearing and proudly displaying toner under our fingernails since the early 80's and plan on doing it for a long time to come.
If anyone has any questions, constructive comments or input about our products, feel free to contact us on our web site or give us a call as this is all we do, every day, from 8am to 5pm ET.
Enjoy your printers and do whatever you can to "stay in the black"!
John Galt - President
www.TonerRefillKits.com
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by SnowMan53 (6/18/07 8:28 PM) reply | + / - | John - as a recognized refilling expert perhaps you can help those of us that are having a problem with the 2600 refills. Even though we didn't purchase your toner, we did purchase from a reliable source & have refilled both color printer & color copier cartridges for years with great success. Not so the 2600 cartridges.
We started with a set of "new" cartridges, emptied the waste hopper, filled with the recommended amount of toner, sealed the holes, re-chipped, etc.
After installation, they leave multi colored toner on the transfer belt and a grayish coating on the paper.
Any suggestions where we went wrong?
Thanks!
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JohnGalt (6/19/07 5:03 AM) reply | + / - | Hey, SnowMan, $.50 and that "expert" status will get one a diet coke these days...
Over the last 18 - 20 months we have worked through tons of "we've finally nailed the formula for the 2600N" samples from manufacturers and suppliers (both domestic and foreign) and I will honestly say none of them, as yet, are "dead on" equivalents of the OEM Canon formula.
In fact, one "well known/recognized" supplier (non-manufacturer) called our purchasing agent a month or two ago and told us, "We now have the 2600 formula you have been waiting for!" and sent us samples.
We don't know what they had been smoking, but their "this is what you have been waiting for..." samples were the worst crap we had tried since the start.
We were at least expecting it to perform like the average samples we had been receiving about the same time, but did not expect it to perform worse, and certainly not worse than anything we had tried to date.
That experience, once again, made us seriously question whether the suppliers do the same simple homework we do (and that the end user who refills their own cartridge in effect does), test the stuff in a real-world fashion where cartridges that are empty are refilled and used to print "average" documents, pictures, etc.
(And, what this proved to us is that no matter how well we like the toner from a given supplier/manufacturer for other series of machines, it, in no way, automatically means that every other toner they have or are newly releasing will work as well in the machines for which it is designed. We approach every single batch, from every single supplier/manufacturer as if it was the first product we have ever purchased from them.)
I won't beat the dead horse on whether parts should be replaced, etc., but let's face it, even the most die-hard advocate of parts replacement would have to agree that a cartridge which ran out of toner yesterday should still work well enough today that if true OEM Canon toner was somehow obtained and added to it, it should work properly for "some period of time".
Accepting that, if after market toner was added to it which was the equal in every sense of the OEM, that same assumption that it should work properly for some period of time would apply.
The fact that you see the defects you see on the page after refilling simply suggests the toner you are using isn't the true equivalent of the OEM at this point in time.
In fact, our first and easiest arm's-length test of after market toner is take a "virgin" empty, add toner, start printing... If you can't tell the "befores" from the "afters", whatever you just put in there seems, at first blush, damn good.
Now, that isn't the only test to be done (since something that looks good initially can and often will decay over time and that means that other toner has to be tried as a better alternative), but it is a start.
Unfortunately, 95+% of the after market toner for the 2600 series in our arm's length tests still don't even pass that first simple test, so the longevity tests, fuser build-up, dusting, etc. tests don't even merit being run since the stuff doesn't look as good as the original to begin with in the simple side-by-side test.
Now for some suggestions. The gray haze on the black output is a well-known problem that every supplier/manufacturer we have tried to date (including the one we currently use) has had to some degree or another.
If it's really bad, it won't get better no matter what you do.
But, if the haze is relatively non-existent (meaning you kind of look at it and find yourself wondering, "Am I seeing a grayish tinge on the background" vs. "Holy Crap, this looks terrible!" appearances of gray haze), there might be hope.
But, that hope will only possibly be realized the next time you refill the cartridge from scratch. And, in a true departure from what is really "dead on" equivalent toner (where you can dump new after market toner in on top of existing toner and it works just fine, as 98% of the after market toner that is "dead on" out there works, with the exception of Brother machines where the old toner always has to be dumped starting with the release of the TN430/TN460 years and years ago), we have found the only way at this time to make certain the gray haze doesn't appear after refilling is by completely purging the existing toner from the cartridge before refilling (the black cartridge is the one where this really matters, but it can't hurt to do it on the color cartridges, as well).
If/when we and our customers do this with our current black formulation from our present manufacturer, the gray haze either doesn't appear at all (yippee!), or, if it does, only appears for the first 10 - 25 pages while the last vestiges of old toner are finally purged through printing.
Our "purging" process is simple and designed for the end user/non-professional remanufacturer, someone who doesn't have a toner vac. We have them make the hole in the hopper, dump as much toner as they can by shaking the cartridge low in a trash can with a plastic bag to catch the excess, then after getting as much free toner out as they can, have them put the cartridge back in the printer and continuously print solid black pages (or whichever color page would be appropriate for the specific cartridge in question) until the pages run white.
Of course, this will get the overwhelming majority of toner out of the hopper, but still won't be as completely clean as if they used dried/anti-static low-pressure compressed air and a toner vac or vacuuming station (but so damn close to the same it will work just fine).
A caveat on this process is in order. On this 2600 series, in order to not run the risk of having the chip record the toner low reading from the light pipe sensor on the cartridge, do the purging by putting the machine into the override supplies mode from the front panel (so it somewhat ignores the toner low/toner empty messages), and, most importantly, DON'T do this with the replacement chip in place since you then run the risk of writing this sort of information to that chip and then when you refill the cartridge the chip may be reporting a false toner low message and you have ruined the chip for further use.
If you do the above purging before refilling and if the toner you are using is as close to dead on as what we use, this should make the gray haze not appear.
On the other hand, if you do this and still get black cartridge related haze/crap on the page, time to try another source.
Keep in mind the companies out there selling after market toner should have no problem refunding your money for toner you can clearly demonstrate has a problem.
When you report a problem to our industry's main suppliers, in general, the response you will hear (especially if they sense/know you aren't a "professional" remanufacturer) is that this is the first they have heard of it, it can't be our toner, what did you do during remanufacturing, etc.
But, if you go into those discussions with a level head, good documentation, common sense on your side, and before/after samples of the output, you should prevail.
(In fact, though we don't have many arguments with our preferred suppliers since they know the sort of homework we do in house and that we are not ones to "cry wolf", early on we found that the less we did to the cartridge during remanufacturing which we then relayed to them during our reporting of a problem with their toner, the harder it was for the supplier to point the finger at some other component, some "weird"/unaccepted technique, etc.)
As for the color problems, we haven't been seeing those as much, of late (they were more prevalent in the beginning of our testing with various samples), but I venture to say the same process above could hold out some hope.
But, the color toners from the manufacturer we are currently using do not need the purging done to make them work properly (they can and are being dumped in on top of existing OEM Canon toner), so my prediction would be that even doing the above purging process wouldn't cure the problem, only a switch to another source would truly solve it.
One thing we learned the hard way when we first started in this business in the 80's still is true today. We never, NEVER, start using/selling the first toner that appears for any new series of machines (not even for b/w, but especially not for color), until that toner has gone through tons of testing.
That caveat applies even to our best, most long-time manufacturing partners because we have learned through experience that the first to market is never the best to market.
And, even when you get something that finally works for a new series, rest assured it is still undergoing further development in multiple R&D labs around the world to make it better.
Though toner for the 2600 first was announced early last year (in fact I think we had some samples from late in the year prior), we didn't finally like any of it well enough to put it up for sale until late in 2006.
And, I will be completely honest (which is what I hope you expected in this tome) and tell you that even that stuff turned out to be far from perfect when the "rubber met the road".
For us, no matter how much testing we do in house on our single test printer (something we always do for each new series), the "rubber meets the road" when the stuff finally gets into the hands of the customer.
Again, being honest, tech support inquiries on new releases for us usually run about 3 - 5% (which is 2 - 3 times what one of our "stable"/established formulations experiences).
For the 2600, we were in the double digits (12 - 15%) initially and that is absolutely not where we have ever been on any kit in the past.
No matter how much we would have liked to write off the reports to "end user error" or some other anomaly not related to what we had provided, our simple assumption has to be how much "user error" can there be in our methods where they poke a hole in the cartridge, add toner and cover the hole?
Of course, all of those problems absolutely had to be because what we were selling (the same stuff we had tested in house and deemed finally worthy to release to the public) was crap.
Emails went out to every customer, refunds/replacements were the order of the day. It was a mess. But, we lived through it and learned.
The problem turned out to be two fold. The samples we were sent that looked good in house, were from a batch that was so small it really wasn't "seasoned".
Then, when our manufacturer (a company we have dealt with for going on 13 years) finally went "full scale", that new "full scale" batch was sent to us and we weren't informed it was a batch other than we had been testing.
So, in effect, a brand new batch and new formulation (as the small test batches are never exactly the same as the real thing) was what we had like idiots released to our customers.
Of little consolation was the fact that even with that 12 - 15% tech support incident rate, it was still better than what we would have had from all of the other manufacturer's samples we had received to date (which tells you how bad those were).
Fortunately, we are now down into the 4 - 6% problem report range, but that is still far too high.
I honestly believe it will still be several more months (based on what we have seen and experienced) before any toner out there truly is the "drop in" equivalent of the original.
So, in the meantime, try the purging of the cartridges, first, before refilling, then if you still aren't seeing what you see from the OEM, it has to be the toner.
Hope this helped,
John Galt
www.TonerRefillKits.com
(Now I also think you will see why I have not become involved in this venue previously as simple questions for me always elicit huge answers. I hope the detailed, lengthy replies are perceived as helpful by the recipient, but it takes a long time to put together and that is something I can't afford to do on a routine basis as it takes me away from the primary tasks at hand.)
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by SnowMan53 (6/19/07 11:15 AM) reply | + / - | John,
Thanks for taking the time to respond - If I can be so bold as to condense your answer, it basically says replacement toner's for the 2600 are not mature enough to get reliable results from every vendor of toner.
You at least had the courage to respond in this public forum and potentially open yourself up to abuse, which demonstrates a degree of confidence in your solution.
So we will order a set of toner from you & try again.
Thanks for the help!
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| Re: Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (6/19/07 6:13 PM) reply | + / - | > I have deleted the link to prevent anyone else from clicking on
> it. Thanks for the heads up.
Sorry Moe... I use Opera w/ no Java-Javascript and I never even noticed or thought about a hijack.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by pldoolittle (6/19/07 6:33 PM) reply | + / - | John,
In my case, the 2600 haze is from the color carts and NOT the blk carts. FWIW, the color carts are OEM new carts that have exceeded 4000 pgg
Philip
One last question: Who is John Galt?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JohnGalt (6/20/07 4:21 AM) reply | + / - | Snowman, I should have you write my replies, would save all of us a bunch of time (but still hope all the additional detail gives people an idea of how/why certain toners work, others don't, etc.)
I would go even further with your summation, in my opinion, none of the toners that are currently being offered by any of the suppliers/manufacturers we have tried are the "dead on" equivalent of the HP (Canon) original.
(And being in this biz for 25 years, there are no "secret" sources of supply of which we are unaware.)
If history is repeated, the manufacturers will keep working on it until it finally does equal the OEM, or comes extremely close (but in this business one only has to think of the years of waiting and still waiting for a dead on HP 8500 color product to know that it might be a long time in coming.)
This "none of the toners are the equal...", of course, even includes what we offer (it's the best we have found, but it still isn't "dead on").
As for Philip's comments, I would try the same thing I recommend with the b/w carts (purging completely before refilling) and see if that helps.
At the very least, purging before filling can't hurt and just might help.
With regard to your last question, Philip, only my wife (Dagny) knows for sure...
(And, believe it or not, in the 9+ years my moniker has appeared on our web site, you are only the tenth person who has inquired! If you haven't revisited that work recently, Blackstone Audio has it in MP3 format and I wholeheartedly recommend listening to the entire unabridged version in the car, while exercising... I don't know how Ayn did it, but it is even more compelling (frightening!) today than it was nearly 60 years ago.)
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JohnGalt (6/20/07 4:29 AM) reply | + / - | One last thought, I noticed in this thread a little back-and-forth about a link being removed, the possibility of "hijacking", Opera/java, etc.
I don't "officially" know what it is referring to, but if I remember correctly I appended our company name to the subject line as that was what I was also responding to and now see that reference is gone.
(And since I was taking the risk of getting heat in the first place for even speaking up, my intention was not to do anything that would further increase that likelihood.)
If that alteration/addition violated a rule or forum etiquette, I apologize, it was unintentional.
JG
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (7/16/07 8:17 AM) reply | + / - | future graphics llc is one of the worlds top suppliers of aftermarket supplies for re-manufacturing laser cartridges. if you had a problem with that site then you probably typed the wrong address. I use these guys on a regular basis and their products and have no complaints.
also another good supplier with excellent instructions for the 2600 series cartridges is static control www.scc-inc.com. this is my supplier for this particular cartridge. i am a professional and i do about 60-80 of these per month with great success, and by that i mean i have a less than 2% failure rate.
the key to successful re-manufacturing of these cartridges comes down to being prepared to do the job right. static control offers great products to do this, jigs and drill stops specificly designed for this cartridge, they also have a jig to protect the pcr and Mylar strip while removing the opc. these tools are expensive but well worth it if you are doing any quantity. also, one of the most important things to note about this cartridge is the height of the doctor blade, you need to use a feeler gauge to reposition it to .762mm or .030 inches after cleaning. also when installing new opc and new/cleaned recovery blade be sure to lubricate using yellow toner(specificaly for the 2600). DO NOT USE standard padding powder.
Lastly dont rush this one like you would an easy konica or okidatda color cartridge. take your time, use some delicacy, keep your work area clean and follw statics instruction manuals and you will soon realize these cartridges are easy and highly profitable when using the proper techniques.
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| Re: Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (7/30/07 1:58 AM) reply | + / - | Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you !!!!
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (9/25/07 2:43 AM) reply | + / - | thank you Mr.Anonymous
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by ashton525 (12/10/07 12:40 PM) reply | + / - | Hi,
I have quite a few 2600 toner cartridges models Q6000 ect, and they are from a remanufacturer and are about 18 months old. I was told that there is a "smartchip" that will not let the "expired" toner to be used is this true? if so is there a wa around it?
Thank You
AShton
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| Re: Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by CPUK1979 (12/13/07 4:26 AM) reply | + / - | Some interesting information here, would really appreciate some feedback on the following if anyone has time..
Lubrication of the drum/wiper - I have always used Methuselah padding powder to allow the drum to be used for a few cycles - is there a particular reason not to use that product on this engine?
I have also used several methods with the 2600 carts, predominantly Delacamp toner/drum but most causing the waste hopper to fill prematurely and leak onto the transfer belt :(
I am now trialing Statics new toner and gapping strip, but no matter how clean the doctor blade is made I still have cartridges producing the 'waterfall' effect (patchy) or faint lines down the print where parts of the blade are not giving even coverage.
I still to the day hate these things, perhaps I should follow Statics instuctions word for word? Problem is, only time tells while they are out there with my customers until I get them back and inspect...
Any help greatly received!
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by tonerre (12/13/07 7:11 AM) reply | + / - | Years ago, when we actually were on the training side of the business (in addition to our core remanufacturing business), we politely referred to what you are doing as "handing off the bomb..." to your customers.
What we meant by that was, if you aren't willing to take the time and undergo the expense necessary to see what happens while using your own product in house, in your own test printer, until the thing is completely empty (and do the same thing with at least one OEM cartridge or set of OEM cartridges in the case of color machines), you are then asking your customer to take the bomb out of the box and further asking them to do your quality control work for you (and, if it "explodes" in their machine (figuratively, not literally), too bad for them...)
We told our trainees that if that was their idea of how to not only survive, but hope to thrive in toner cartridge remanufacturing, they shouldn't be in the business.
We weren't trying to be mean to our trainees, but we were trying to get the point across that to do anything less means you simply aren't committed to your business and are treating it more as a hobby, hoping you will turn out an okay product and make money.
We tried to put it in terms that most people would understand and would always rely on either the food business or the automobile industry.
So, with that in mind, imagine a chef that takes a single bite of a new dish they plan to add to their menu. Would the most successful chefs, after that single bite, call it not just fit for consumption, but declare that it is something that the patron will rave about and want to come back for more?
What about an auto dealership or repair facility that does work on the car but doesn't take the car for a test drive?
Our trainees who (as we like to say) "didn't get it" would argue with us about the chefs who don't eat their own food or tell us about the tons of auto repair facilities that never go for test drives.
The 10 - 20% of those trainees who did "get it" (the ones who didn't just view a cartridge as something they had to "get done" in order to grab some cash, but viewed it as something they had to master if they wanted to rise above the competition and not only remain in business, but grow and prosper) instantly understood the import of not handing the bomb off to the customer.
This core philosophy of ours stemmed from a customer we had back in the late 80's who said our HP LJII (SX) cartridge didn't last as long as the original.
In fact, not only did he state it didn't last as long as the original, he said it produced fewer than 50% of the prints the OEM cartridge did.
Since (of course) we hadn't spent the money to buy original HP cartridges, run them through their paces until empty (grabbing test prints every 50 - 100 pages or so for future comparison with our products output at the same stage) and (also, of course) we had never done the same thing with our cartridges to see how they compared, all we could do was argue/question from a theoretical standpoint.
We told him that we actually put 300g of graphics toner in the hopper (vs. HP's 225g back then), we treated the developer roller, we replaced the drum with a brand new, long life drum "designed to equal or exceed the performance of the original" (one of the first, new, long-life drums ever released... this was the stone age...) and there was no way our cartridge wouldn't outperform the original.
Shooting from the hip (another really stupid idea) I told him that on those rare occasions, when we have heard something similar from other customers, we have pretty much figured out that it was simply a result of people printing far more than they thought with our cartridges or that the nature of their output had changed.
I told him that when we have asked people to give us the before and after page counts on the cartridge, not a single one had been able to do so.
At this point, Alan told me, I'm different, I know the exact page counts for every cartridge I have ever run through the printer, and I will be glad to show you the spreadsheet.
Feeling that wave of "oh shit..." coursing through my veins, I asked why he would do that and he said, because I am an accountant, and this is what I do, not only for my laser toner cartridges, but my copier, my car for its gas mileage, etc.
When I countered that while that was interesting, how could he say for certain that the nature of what he was printing had changed significantly, to which he replied that he only used the LJII for one purpose, printing mailing labels for a CPA association list and the list had averaged 10,000 names for the last few years and he does a mailing to them only on the same dates every month.
Out of "BS", I told him we would gladly replace the cartridges at no charge, etc. and he was really reluctant to take more.
In passing, though, he said, "I have to say that your cartridges are absolutely beautiful on the printed page, but the output almost feels like raised, thermographic printing..."
(I didn't catch on at that point and still made a few last ditch attempts to argue/convince him why he must be wrong.)
At this point, I was still positive it had to be something he was doing since the 5 - 10 test prints I did looked beautiful (I hadn't picked up on the huge clue he had just given me.)
I called my wife to bitch about the dumbass who said our cartridges didn't work properly and she said, how do ours compare?, to which I replied, they look great, blah, blah, blah...
She asked, again, how they compared and I said I had never done the comparison.
She suggested I buy two (TWO!) new cartridges (at $100 each back then) and run them using the built in test pattern on our printer and then do the same with ours.
I explained to her that was going to cost a ton of money and she asked (in that way that only wives can), so which will cost more, this test or losing customers?
Since she clearly didn't understand, I hung up (and then went out and bought two cartridges...)
I was positive those cartridges and mine where going to come out roughly the same (even if mine was a bit darker, there was no way 33% more toner couldn't at least produce the same output as the OEM).
Well, sure enough, I got 1986 pages out of the OEM on the barber- pole test print and just under 900 on mine (fortunately, I hadn't opened the second cartridge so I was able to save $100 by returning it since the test results were so clear).
I then started calling our suppliers (Carbotek or Accutone, I think), told them what was happening and they laughed at me and said, what did you think would happen if you were using a super hot "graphics" drum, super-dark toner, treating the mag roller to make it darker... get more prints?
When I proclaimed that I was putting in 33% more toner so it can't be that far off, they said your customers numbers and your numbers all have to tell you it is that far off... what more do you need to tell you it is that far off and you are doing something wrong?
So, I went to a "text" drum, "standard" toner, and still treated the mag roller and the page count went up to 2100+ (and, the text from the OEM to ours was indistinguishable).
And, the unexpected beauty of that experiment was that I could now get on the phone and tell prospects without a single hesitation or doubt in my voice that my cartridges have been tested side-by-side with the OEM and in every respect my cartridges were their equal.
That conviction in my voice propelled us to 5,000+ cartridges per month (at our peak) and was the absolute best money we ever spent.
From that point forward, we didn't produce a single cartridge (or, more accurately, didn't begin offering it to our customers) until we had done the same experiments (and once the benchmark with the OEM is known, we do on-going tests of the same nature with our cartridges when we change something materially in the mix).
So, for what it's worth, my best, free, "Dutch Uncle" advice is if you are in this business as a hobby, then ignore everything I have just said and keep doing what you are doing.
If you want to offer a fantastic product that you and your customers can believe in and rely on... you "get it".
Good luck!
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| Re: Re: Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (12/13/07 8:49 AM) reply | + / - | THE THING THAT STRIKES ME THE MOST ABOUT YOUR QUESTIONS, IS THAT YOU SAY YOU USE THAT PADDING POWDER TO MAKE THE DRUM LAST A "FEW CYCLES". THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE NOT SUCCESSFULLY REMANED A 2600 THAT MADE IT FULLY THROUGH THE THIRD REMAN CYCLE (NOT COUNTING THE FIRST OEM CYCLE) -- EVEN WITH REPALACING ALL PARTS. THESE CARTRIDGES, AND THE PRINTER FOR THAT MATTER, ARE MANUFACTURED VERY CHEAPLY. THE CHEAP PLASTIC ON THE CARTRIDGE BEGINS TO WARP AS SOON AS THE FIRST CYCLE. THAT SAID, I STOPPED REMANING THESE EVEN A SECOND TIME. BECAUSE THEY ARE SUCH LOW YIELD CARRIDGES, ALL PARTS ARE USUALY GOOD TO GO A SECOND CYCLE. WITH THAT IN MIND AND GIVEN THE RISING AVAILABLITY OF VIRGIN EMPTIES, I HAVE FOUND BETTER RESULTS AT A LOWER COST BY USING ONLY VIRGIN CARTRIDGES ONCE. ON AVERAGE, I SPEND 3-5 DOLLARS PER EMPTY, VERSUS $7.00 PER DRUM, $4.00 PER PCR, A COUPLE BUCKS FOR A WIPER BLADE PLUS CHIP AND TONER AND TIME.
NOW MY SYSTEM FOR THIS CARTRIDGE IS BASICALY JUST DRILL AND FILL.
I DRILL THROUGH THE WASTE HOPPER AND USE A HIGH POWER TONER VAC TO ROMOVE ALL WASTE AND SEAL IT USING STATICS WASTEHOPPER SEAL.
THEN I ENTER THE TONER HOPPER AND DUMP OUT ALL REMAINING TONER. AFTER THAT I USE COMPRESSED AIR FOR ABOUT 15 MINUTES TO ROMOVE AS MUCH LEFTOVER TONER AS POSSIBLE (JUST MAKE SURE YOU USE A LOW PSI SETTING). DUMP IN NEW TONER AND AGAIN I SEAL THE HOLE USING THE WASTEHOPPER SEAL. I USE THAT BECAUSE IT IS NOT AS NOTICABLE AND TACKY LOOKING AS THEIR TONER HOPPER FOAM SEAL AND WORKS JUST FINE. LASTLY, CHIP, TEST AND SELL. THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THIS BEING THE BLACK CARTRIDGE, WHICH I DO SPLIT AND REMOVE THE DEV. ROLLER AND DOC. BLADE IN ORDER TO PURGE ALL OEM TONER. OTHERWISE YOU STAND MORE RISK OF THE INFAMOUS "GREY SHADING". I USE STATIC'S REGULAR CHEMICAL TONER AND MY RESULTS, THOUGH STILL NOT QUITE AS GOOD AS THE OEM, ARE VERY GOOD. IN FACT, THE ONLY REAL NOTICABLE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE NEW TONER IS NOT AS GLOSSY LOOKING AS THE OEM. HOWEVER, BEING THAT I SELL THEM FOR $49 COLOR, AND $45 BLACK, THE ONLY COMPLAINT I HAVE HAD CAME FROM A CLIENT WHO IS A GRAPHIC DESIGN ARTIST WHO STILL ADMITTED THAT THE SLIGHT DROP IN QUALITY WAS WORTH THE SAVINGS. BY DOING IT THIS WAY, I GET WORTHY RESULTS AND ONLY SPEND AROUND $15-$20 PER CARTRIDGE (PLUS TIME).
IN MOST CASES I WOULD NEVER CONDONE DRILLING AND FILLING, BUT IT IS NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO DO A FULL REMAN ON THIS CARTRIDGE AND STILL BE ABLE TO SELL IT CHEAP ENOUGH TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE AND PROFITABLE AT THE SAME TIME. IF I WERE UNABLE TO DO IT THE WAY I DO, CONSIDERING DOLLARS AND TIME, I WOULD JUST STOCK OEM FROM A WHOLESALER AND DUMP THEM OFF FOR A FEW DOLLARS CHEAPER THAN MAJOR OFFICE STORES. JUST FOR THE SAKE OF KEEPING CUSTOMERS HAPPY WHILE MINIMIZING TIME SPENT.
ANYWAY, HOPE THIS HELPS.
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| Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by sanjaybohra (12/13/07 9:18 AM) reply | + / - | as u stated, you remove the drum for BLACK.. do u cut the drum out and fit a new drum or use the same drum... let me know as how it is done.. eager to test the technique.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JeffOYB (12/13/07 9:43 AM) reply | + / - | Wow! What a thread.
I just bought a refill kit on ebay from "easy cartridge refill" of Fountain Valley, CA.
According to their info, I burned a hole in the main hopper and dumped the excess. Man, there was almost a complete load of toner still in that dang cartridge!
So I googled the subject and found this thread. Whew! Much ado about toner, eh? :)
Well, I'm going to try John Galt's (ahem) in-machine purge idea along with the "override supplies" setting then I'll fill up with my toner refill and see what happens.
--JP
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by UZID (12/13/07 9:57 AM) reply | + / - | NO, I DO NOT REMOVE THE DRUM. I SPLIT THE CARTRIDGE AND PUT THE IMAGING SIDE IN A BAG AND OUT OF THE WAY. I ONLY REMOVE THE DEVELOPER/MAG ROLLER AND THE DOCTOR BLADE AND I ONLY DO THIS ON THE BLACK. THEN USE AN AIR COMPRESSOR TO PURGE ALL OEM TONER OUT TAKING EXTRA TIME ROTATING AND BLOWING OFF THE TONER AGITATOR ROLLER. THIS STILL DOES NOT GARUNTEE THAT THERE WILL BE NO "PAGE SHADING", BUT THE MORE OEM YOU GET OUT THE BETTER YOUR CHANCES AND WHEN IT DOES STILL SHADE IT IS USUALY MUCH MUCH LIGHTER.
ANOTHER NOTE, IS THAT I TEST BEFORE INSTALLING A NEW CHIP. THAT WAY I CAN RUN OFF AS MANY TEST PAGES AS NECESSARY. AS I HAVE UNDERSTOOD SO FAR, IS THAT THE SHADING IS CAUSED BY A REACTION BETWEEN OEM AND AFTERMARKET TONER AND SOMETIMES RUNNING OFF A FEW MORE TEST PAGES CAN HELP. OF COURSE, I COULD BE WRONG AS THE MORE I EXPERIMENT AND LEARN WITH THIS CARTRIDGE THE MORE I FEEL THAT NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT THE HELL IS GOIN ON. LOL. THEREFORE, I JUST KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AND CHEAP AS POSSIBLE TO GIVE MY CUSTOMERS MORE THAN ACCEPTABLE RESULTS AT A GREAT SAVINGS.
AS FAR AS GETTING GREAT QUALITY TO RIVAL OR SURPASS THAT OF THE OEM, GOOD LUCK. ALTHOUGH, FROM WHAT IVE HEARD, THE NEW STATIC METHOD IS GETTING PRETTY CLOSE. HOWEVER, ITS COST IS TOO MUCH FOR ME TO JUSTIFY USING IT.
TO ME, THAT HAS BEEN THE REAL PROBLEM WITH THIS CARTRIDGE. NOT THE QUALITY ITSELF, BUT THE COST TO PRODUCE THAT QUALITY. BELEIVE ME, WHEN IT COMES TO MY WORK (WHICH IS MY PRODUCT, MY BRAND, MY NAME, MY LIVELYHOOD), I AM AN ANALY RETENTIVE NEUROTIC FREAK OF A PERFECTIONIST. YET, I AM STILL IN BUISNESS TO MAKE MONEY AND WITH THAT SAID THIS IS ONE OF THOSE FEW TIMES WHERE I HAVE TO SUCK UP MY PRIDE AND DO WHAT IS SMART. BOTTOM LINE, MY CUSTOMERS ARE STILL HAPPY AND THATS WHAT MATTERS MOST.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by CPUK1979 (12/13/07 10:30 AM) reply | + / - | UZID - Your post makes very good sense and I agree with your commments re cost of product and time is probably the biggest factor here.
This is also the reason I aim to re-use components as many times as possible is to make some bloody money out of these things.
HP set out to make this the most popular colour laser on the market and boy have they succeeded! A cheap to buy and get entrapped printer whereby you are changing the cartridges every 5 minutes, most people will be binning the empties, the vast amount of these low yield carts being produced by HP and travelling in various polluting modes of transport to get to the end user, using oil to produce the plastic etc etc etc I don't understand from an environmental point of view how they are allowed to produce something so bloody inefficient!
From my point of view, I am also VERY concious of what I sell to my customers and we have HUGE amounts of repeat business so I know we are on the whole doing things right - infact this engine is the only real one we have problems with.
I personally would normally get up to 3 cycles from an oem wiper, pcr, doc blade and dev roller and I always change the drum on the first reman.
I am happy to try out the static method with all of their products but I think the problem will persist with the doctor blade issue, regardless of how clean you get it - does anyone know of any replacement doc blades yet?
Static also annoy me in that if there is a really good product made by another company they refuse to recommend it in their instructions so chose another method that is less practical and more time consuming.
This thread is very interesting to me though and it would be great to see as much input from people as possible, especially on remanning techniques.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (12/13/07 12:48 PM) reply | + / - | CPUX1979.
FIRST OFF, IM PRETTY SURE THAT UNINET/SUMMIT TECHNOLOGIES HAS A DOCTOR BLADE UNDER DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT HAS BEEN IN THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE FOR SOME TIME NOW. SO WELL SEE.
OH YEAH, I AGREE ABOUT STATIC. IF YOU EVEN ASK THEM ABOUT ANOTHER PRODUCT THEY TELL YOU THAT THEY ONLY TEST THIER "COMPLETE" SYSTEM, BUT I FIGURE THATS WHY WE RUN POST TESTS, AND THEY ARE ON OF THE FEW COMPANIES YOU CAN TRUST TO MAKE A CONSISTENTLY DECENT QUALITY PRODUCT. I USE THEM, FUTURE GRAPHICS AND UNINET, AND I THINK THAT I LIKE THE TECH SUPPORT AT FUTURE BEST. HOWEVER, IT SEEMS THAT NOBODY CAN COME UP WITH AN ECONOMICALLY PHEASABLE SOLUTION TO THE 2600 PROBLEM.
A COUPLE THINGS I AM CURIOUS ABOUT IS ONE, YOU SAID YOU WERE TRYING THE "NEW" STATIC PRODUCT LINE AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT THE OVERALL QUALITY WAS IN YOUR OPINION. I HAVE SEEN THE RESULTS OF THE STATIC ENGINEERS REMANS AND THEY ARE GREAT, BUT THEN AGAIN MY WENDYS HAMBURGER NEVER QUITE LOOKS AS GOOD AS IT DOES ON THE MENUE BOARD.
ALSO YOU SAID YOU ARE REUSING ALL THE PARTS SEVERAL TIMES. I CAN SEE HOW THEY WOULD EASILY WORK MANY TIMES OVER, BUT THE PROBLEM I HAVE HAD WITH MULTIPLE REMANS IS THE WASTE HOPPER BECOMING WARPED. IT ACTUALLY BOWES AND CAUSES STREAKING SINCE THE WIPER BLADE DOESNT MAKE PROPER CONTACT WITH THE OPC. I KNOW THAT FUTURE GRAPHICS OFFERS A WASTE HOPPER CONVERSION KIT, BUT AGAIN THATS MORE DOLLARS INTO A CARTRIDGE WITH AN ALREADY NARROW PROFIT MARGIN. WHY AM I GOING TO SPEND $5 ON A CONVERSION KIT WHEN I CAN PURCHASE A VIRGIN EMPTY FOR THE SAME PRICE? I WAS THINKING THAT THE "WATERFALL" EFFECT YOU DESCRIBED EARLIER MAY BE A RESULT OF THIS. IF NOT, MAYBE IM JUST BECOMING DELUSIONAL (WHICH IS ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY, LOL). HOWEVER, NO ONE ELSE I KNOW GETS MORE THAN TWO REMANS PER CARTRIDGE.
AND AS FAR AS REUSING THE DRUM, I PERSONALY DO NOT NOTICE MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OEM 2ND CYCLE AND STATICS OR FUTURES DRUM. I THINK THE COLORS ARE ONLY SLIGHTLY SHARPER, BUT YOU MADE MENTION OF ANOTHER MANUFACTURER SO MABEY YOU HAVE BETTER RESULTS -- IF SO LET ME KNOW
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (12/14/07 5:25 AM) reply | + / - | @CPUX1979,
www.hp.com/recycle
@UZID and Anon,
Guys you really don't have to type in all caps. We can read lower case text just fine.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by CPUK1979 (12/14/07 5:30 AM) reply | + / - | @ Anon lowercase,
Was that humour?
@ UZID,
When I get 5 minutes I'll type up a reply :o)
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JeffOYB (12/19/07 8:29 AM) reply | + / - | I'm trying to purge cartridges to avoid the gray haze, as John Galt : ) mentions above.
How white do you have to get the pages before a cartridge is purged? I got mine to very light gray after about 60 sheets. I got tired of wasting paper.
I'd print 20 sheets of light gray then untape and dump the cartridge---and get some fresh amount of toner to spill out.
I did this 3 times before giving up at a very light gray.
Now I have gray haze. Ugh.
Man, this is crazy stuff with this printer! I just bought refill toner when my machine quit with the 'toner out' message. I burned and then emptied---almost a full cartridge of toner! Then I found this forum thread and learned how to override the toner-out message. Whew! Next time I'll know better...
...And maybe also to run thru 100 sheets til pure white?
I didn't realize how sensitive this stuff is.
My new black is quite different from that LOVELY shiney old black. Maybe I'll buy some OEM black just to get that shine... : )
--JP
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| Re: Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by evenmorenaonymous (12/20/07 5:20 PM) reply | + / - | YOU MAY CONSIDER LOOKING FOR YOUR caps lock key.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by geocha (12/23/07 1:14 PM) reply | + / - | how can we empty the waste bin without disassebling the cartridge?
Can it be filled 1-2 times without maggior issues and without changing the drum?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (12/28/07 10:54 AM) reply | + / - | hi everyone.i have a problem with my hp 2600n.i refilled magenta toner and when i printed a color document the red wasn't red but orange.(i marked 2 pages with red dut i didn't see red.only orange.)
Can anyone help?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by ted583 (1/7/08 2:43 AM) reply | + / - | The easiest way to remove the waste is to drill 2 holes. One at each end and then use a vacuum cleaner. I have refilled all my cartridges. They all work fine. No grey caste. The only problem is they all print a paler shape of the original colour. Which is fine for my kids' school use. I suspect it is to do with the quality of the toner.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (1/7/08 6:48 AM) reply | + / - | Excellent!!!!
Thanks a lot!
So...drill 3 holes:
ONE to refill
TWO to empty the waste
Perfect!
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (1/7/08 6:52 AM) reply | + / - | Ohh by the way,can you upload a photo inorder to see exactly where should i drill these two holes?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (1/11/08 3:44 AM) reply | + / - | A known toner company explain me that color toners are easy to refill (make 2 holes ,one for refill,one for empty waste) but the black toner MUST be taken apart!
They didn't tell me why.
Any idea?
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 | Re: Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (1/30/08 7:00 AM) reply | + / - | I re-manufacture laser printer cartridges for a living. The HP2600 is a nightmare. There are pins and springs to be removed in order to access the waste toner hopper, drum, etc. To access the waste toner hopper, one must saw away at the drum to remove it. Needless to say, a plastic insert is needed to make the drum work again.
Sorry, but you cannot refill a 2600n cartridge yourself properly.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JeffOYB (1/30/08 8:05 AM) reply | + / - | I wish that knowledgeable people would reply to the questions.
The Reman folks seem to ignore questions and post basically off-topic.
I refilled my black a couple months ago and it has worked at 75-80% quality of OEM since then. Acceptable to me. The new black in the all-colors kit I bought off of eBay is NOT shiny like the OEM.
OK, somewhat fine---I sometimes have the ghosting (light black) when printing in color mode.
Also, I REALLY REALLY wish I had known how to override the low toner message---it's easy. Just go into the printer control panel---the steps are out there---in this thread somewhere, I think. I drilled and emptied my "empty" black cart---and it was more than half full still. So then I really started looking into this stuff.
Then there's the question of the chip. I forget the rationale but I recall that it's good to install a new chip. I called my eBay seller about the question of all the excess toner in an "empty" cart---and they were very helpful---they had 2 people on the line with me. They were out of Fountain Valley, California. 877-788-7804.
Anyway, there is some good info in this huge thread. But there is also recently a lot of ignoring of good questions. Maybe we should start a new thread? This one is WAY TOO big.
I personally never saw any suggestion to drill more than one hole. I only drilled one hole.
I agree that a total-rebuild would be very hard---there is a website showing how to do it---50 steps.
--JP
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by geocha (1/31/08 8:12 AM) reply | + / - | I agree,we have to make a new thread.
The best printer to refill IMHO -because i have one- is the epson c1100!Just drill a hole ,empty the old toner and fill the cart with the newone!
100% success AND 100% OEM results!(at least with the black cartridge)
In general,the problem is the waste hopper,if i knew it, i MAYBE wouldn't have buy this HP printer.
But i like it:
1)small dimensions
2)Quiet
3)excellent print quality
4)Relatively cheap cartridges (with new drum) [65 euros]
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Geo20 (3/17/08 3:12 PM) reply | + / - | Hi All,
A lot of reading in this thread. Thanks to all who have posted. I'm not sure if I want to try to do a refill. I don't really print all that much. Just purchased a new 2600n at staples with a 100 rebate and 100 discount at register. Also traded in my junk printer for a 50 dollar discount. Comes out to be about 167.00 total with tax included. A great deal, I think. My question is: Should I wait a while before I switch the menu to not inform me on low cartridge. Then once I run out of toner in which ever cartridge it may be, and then go out and buy a new one, will it still work ok? I thought I read that once a cartridge is bone dry that the printer won't work again. I thought I'd wait until it's about 3/4 toner left and then switch it not to warn me. Thanks for all your answers and what a GREAT web site. Geo
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (3/18/08 1:22 AM) reply | + / - | I found a UK site with excellent toner and price!
I have made some refills on epson c1100n and brother dcp7010 with 95% original results!
I am sure that it worths giving a try refiling the q6000 series carts even if they fail.The toner costs only 20 euros so ... LETS DO IT!;)
The best way is to disassembly the cartridge and clean carefully the waste hopper.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JohnGalt (3/18/08 4:54 AM) reply | + / - | Hey, Geo:
There is no harm whatsoever in turning on the supplies override mode (or turning it off depending on how you view what it is doing) and leaving it off.
The contention that somehow the printer will never print again if you do so prematurely is simply wrong.
Our attitude is, since the supplies status is nothing more than a guesstimate based on a number of factors, set your printer up so you can continue printing until you determine that you are running low on toner.
Then, and only then either make the choice to refill your cartridges or replace them.
Oh, lest we forget how you tell if the cartridges are running out of toner without relying on some artifice foisted upon you by the manufacturer in the guise of a chip/mechanism designed to "help maximize your printing experience", here's what to look for...
Increasingly light print on the page, usually starting in one vertical segment, widening with continued printing, temporarily improving if the cartridges are taken out and gently rocked side-to-side to redistribute any remaining toner.
Our experience has shown that almost without exception, when your 2600 series printer indicates a cartridge is empty, there is 10% - 30% of the toner remaining (which would have been tossed if you relied on their message and didn't toggle the supplies override).
In truth the only thing their chip-based method helps the user experience is a 10% - 30% greater hole in their pocket than would have been there if they were able to print until the darn things were truly empty (or nearly so).
A final thought, though... if you can pick up another machine for the same price, do so, take out the cartridges, store them off to the side and sell the printer, sans cartridges, on eBay and you won't need to refill or buy new cartridges for quite some time and will have locked in a phenomenal price on brand-new, name-brand originals.
John
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Geo20 (3/18/08 5:54 AM) reply | + / - | Hi John,
I would like to thank you for all of your posts. This has been a real learning experience in the last 2 days of reading. It's a pleasure to come to a site looking for information on a printer and to be able to get so much info about the hp 2600n.
I have been refilling the cartridges for the Epson laser 1500 and the hp inkjet 970cxi. The toner for this Epson is a joke. I have refilled 2 separate cartridges about 3 times each and their still running like a champ. The unit is about 100 years old and runs so good I just keep using it. My wife saw that special on the 2600n, I thought it would be a great upgrade. I just hope it lasts a while. After reading all the posts I'm not sure if I want to mess with the black. I'll just bite the bullet and buy a new black when it's time. I think I have starter carts, in this new unit. I'm not sure how many pages I can expect it to print. But if it only goes a short distance, then I may try to do my own refill.
John, Thanks again for all your posts and to all other people who have posted.
WHAT A GREAT SITE !!
Have a great day, Geo
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Dannyil (4/8/08 7:30 AM) reply | + / - | I'm having a serious issue with the print quality on one of the ink cartridges.
For some reason the Magenta (a brand-new cartridge) doesn't print at full quality. Yes, I've reset the to factory defaults about a dozen times, and done paper cleaning, and calibrations 20 times.
Nothing helps. I noticed though, that the ink is not printing on one side.
Also, The print settings on the computer are set to 2400 dpi.
and I've tried literally everything, including cleaning the printer out.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
And yes, I've stuck with OEM ink cartridges. I've never ever done any refills
Danny
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JeffOYB (4/8/08 7:42 AM) reply | + / - | Danny... offhand, it seems like you should start a new thread for your question. It seems to be a malfunction and not a refill problem.
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Yeah, I'm thinking that I'll buy an OEM black---it seems to be my worst cartridge. The problem is the faint black ghosting on everything. Ugh!
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I did start 2 new HP2600 threads.
--JP
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JohnGalt (4/8/08 7:43 AM) reply | + / - | Hey, Danny:
Whenever we see a situation where there is light print on one side of the page, we know to look at something other than the toner in the cartridge (since "toner is stupid" as we like to say and doesn't have any way to "mess with you" and can't "choose" to print light in one area and fine in another.)
That "something other" than the toner in the cartridge can be the cartridge itself, the printer (rarely) or some other component in the printer (transfer belt, corona, fuser, etc.)
In this case, since the other cartridges/colors are printing just fine, it clearly suggests the most likely cause of the problem is that the cartridge in question has "issues".
Given it is brand new and you paid up for it, I would simply return it to the dealer (provide test prints so they can see exactly what you are seeing) and ask for a refund/replacement.
Our attitude is simple, rather than you trying to fix something you didn't break, hold the manufacturer/supplier accountable and let them stand behind their products.
(Remember, test prints of each of the colors will verify the machine is working fine and the only issue is with that particular cartridge.)
John
www.TonerRefillKits.com
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by sue o (4/8/08 8:33 AM) reply | + / - | Don't forget that the Magenta laser is a source of poor print (fading on one side, usually the right). HP is aware of this problem and I have had several replaced through HP. Apparently, the Magenta lens (bottom cartridge) has a tendency to gather dust which causes light prining on one side of the page. You can try to clean the lens but I have not tried as the printers have been replaced.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JohnGalt (4/8/08 10:05 AM) reply | + / - | Good point, Sue.
I interpreted what Danny was saying as this happened with the installation of the brand new cartridge and should have asked if this came on over time and whether another cartridge solved the problem or had no effect.
John
www.TonerRefillKits.com
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (4/17/08 6:20 AM) reply | + / - | hi i have a refill workshop and need to solve the problem on the 2600n printer carteradge ,how can i refill it and work without any problem can u help me thanks.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (4/20/08 7:10 AM) reply | + / - | This is about cleaning job for the printer. all 1600/2600/2605 have such problem. the design brings the common problem of scanner optic degeneration due to dust buildup on mirrors and lenses, esp for red when print up to 8k-9k.You need open the whole printer then clean the mirror and lens. Not easy, but quite straight through. You may google "2600 red toner fade" , you may found a pdf file which clearly described whole procedure, which written by '2007 Don Thompson¡¯s Service Seminars".
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by tdarnell (4/20/08 6:34 PM) reply | + / - | First I want to say thanks to John Galt for commenting on this thread. I recently purchased a refill kit. So far all I have done is just the black to see how it worked before I did the rest. after reading this tread I'm going to do the override thing on 2 of the 3 2600n's I have. I'll wait until they are totally emptied before I refill them. The 3rd I think I'll sell on ebay and buy a new one with new carts. Once again thanks guys for all the info.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JohnGalt (4/22/08 9:45 AM) reply | + / - | Glad to be of some assistance, but as you saw, a bunch of people weighed in with other really accurate help, as well.
John G.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by tdarnell (4/22/08 10:46 AM) reply | + / - | That may be so but it was good to hear from someone that's not afraid to let it be know that he works for the company makes one of the products that everyone is talking about.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by bowman999 (4/29/08 2:55 AM) reply | + / - | HP Color LaserJet 2600n Printer how can i fix the printer it has a ghost on the page out
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| Temporary Fix for HP 2600n Toner out message by Anonymous (6/15/08 7:56 PM) reply | + / - | I found this gem on the HP Forums.
This will allow you to override the "Toner out" message on the HP 2600n series printer, but it is recommended that you get the new cartridge(s) soon as this will not fix the problem forever!
Try this. . .
Press Select (check mark key)
Right Arrow key (System setup displays)
Select
Right Arrow TWICE (Print quality)
Select
Right Arrow (Replace supplies)
Select (->Stop at out*)
Right Arrow (->Override out)
Select (->Override out*)
X key to return to normal operations
Hope this helps others the way it helped me.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (6/16/08 9:45 AM) reply | + / - | Thanks for the responses. This has been most helpful.
As a final answer It seemed to be a hardware issue, since the replacement of a brand new cartridge didn't change anything, and over time its been getting worse.
The System Administrator suggested that there was something wrong in the mechanism that causes the ink to disperse evenly on the paper - that it was worn, or needed adjusting.
The sensor for the magenta ink also was an option.
Thank you for all the responses. It has now been taken into the dealer and they're sorting it out.
Danny
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by alexcook (7/7/08 5:29 PM) reply | + / - | Man, with all the time it takes to (1) read these forums (2) find a reliable toner refill supplier to buy from and (3) refill the cartridges, I would say it's just worth it to buy OEM cartridges new from OfficeMax or just buy a new printer instead.
Also, from my experience, the HP 2600n comes with 1/2 filled cartridges. At least that's what the people at OfficeMax said.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (7/14/08 11:55 AM) reply | + / - | Can I see the pic please.. I have streaks and grey background now after refilling my q6000a.. I wanna know how i can take this apart so I can fix the wiper
kimosabe0304@yahoo.com
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| Re: Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (7/14/08 12:12 PM) reply | + / - | You wouldnt happen to know where to drill these holes would you?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (7/14/08 1:14 PM) reply | + / - | You can make your own multi-size melt tool using a "pencil" style soldering iron and either a 3/8 or 1/2" copper pipe "cap".
Remove the screw on tip from the soldering iron. Drill a hole in the bottom of the copper cap(s) to match the tip thread.
Slide the copper cap over the tip thread and reassemble. If the tip is too long, you can replace it with either a nut or screw (depending on the thread style).
To use; just plug in & wait for tip to get hot. Slowly melt through the plastic with a light pressure. Be sure that the plug does not fall into the hopper.
Soldering Iron similar to:
www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062728&cp=&sr=1&origkw =soldering+iron
or
www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=38593
Copper cap(s) can be found in any hardware store in the plumbing dept.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by moe (7/14/08 1:50 PM) reply | + / - | This is a really, really dumb idea and pretty much a waste of time.
Sure you can get around the cartridge empty message so you don't have to replace the chip. Problem is the cartridge has an extremely small waste bin. It sometimes won't even contain the waste from the original fill. When it fills up, like it most certainly will, it will start leaking. You'll get toner spots all over your page. I guess you could burn a second hole to empty the waste bin. Then there are the other issues like the drum, which may or may not make it through a second cycle. The drum wiper blade, which likewise might not make it. Worrying that toner doesn't leak out of the holes. I give it about 10% chance of working more than 100 pages. Did I mention it was a really, really dumb idea?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JeffOYB (7/14/08 2:03 PM) reply | + / - | ? What's the matter with burning holes? I bought refill kits for all the colors and burned the holes and refilled. I inserted new chips. But I also turned off the "cartridge empty" message.
I got a few hundred pages out before my black started mis-registering.
I wish I could swap in another cartridge to see if it's the cartridge or not but the machine detects the color and won't let me. Hmmm... I could swap the chips and that might do the trick...
--JP
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (7/14/08 2:17 PM) reply | + / - | Im actually looking for the locations of the hole for the q6000a.. i know the insert hole but not the waste holes
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by moe (7/14/08 3:47 PM) reply | -1 + / - | I give up. There are none so blind as those who will not see. Go ahead and waste your time and money. In the end, it won't work or will only work for a short time, but hey you're "saving money" and screwing HP. I'm not saying that recycling is a bad idea, but it should be left to the professionals. This cartridge is "NOT" for the DIYer.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (7/14/08 3:52 PM) reply | + / - | I do all my other lasers with no problem.5 refills on my all blacks so far... so in the l;ong run im saving money as long as i know what i am doing.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by fishfingers (7/14/08 4:00 PM) reply | -1 + / - | Well said moe. Unforunately your words are true. It's not worth messing with these cartridges. Turn off the toner level detect, get as much out of the oem cartridge and throw it away. Buy a professionally re manufactured toner and let the moes out there carry the warranty and hassle. When I was a boy I used to seriuosly "save money and screw HP". Now I've grown up and realised my time is worth more -besides HP give very good rewards now for buying their junk. I've got a cellphone, deskjet, wii, car navigation system, cash back, food, extended warranties.....
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by kimosabe (7/14/08 5:43 PM) reply | + / - | Anyways does anyone know where the other holes are for the waste? I thought this was a fix it forum not a HP salesman forum.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by fishfingers (7/14/08 5:59 PM) reply | + / - | Yeah yeah, very good kimosabe. Hey, I'm still an HP (ab)user. I'm upset you've labeled me an HP salesman. They haven't bought me yet. Pull the cartridge apart properly. You'll eventually find the waste holes -otherwise just make some.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (7/14/08 8:15 PM) reply | + / - | oh sorry for labeling you. We should all be here looking for a way to get this toner into the cartrige.. This is fixyourownprinter. I know if their is a will there is a way
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JeffOYB (10/17/08 1:18 PM) reply | + / - | I've been having good luck lately with refilling my own and emptying the waste bins.
But that's relative. I also have been having troubles with registration coming and going. I now also have bad black ghosting after my latest refill---even though I emptied the waste bin when I refilled and now again when the ghosting started in with a vengeance. I got 100 perfect copies out of the refill before the dang ghosting started again.
Anyone yet have a bombproof cheap easy fix for the ridiculous problem of ghosting that this printer has?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by kimosabe (10/17/08 3:32 PM) reply | + / - | I found a way to refill these 2600 cartriges..Its actually easy after you break ur first one into pieces... All that is keeping you from refilling properly is 2 pins and 2 springs... Once I get pictures I'll post em up..
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JeffOYB (10/17/08 3:54 PM) reply | + / - | Cool! I'm handy. So, I'll be game if this stunt is somewhat reasonable. So it's not too tough to dismantle a cart and refill it while keeping it to "pro" standards? Thereby avoiding ghosting/registration glitches? That would be great!
Please send pics!
Or send a link to any online how-to info that isn't too complex. I've seen a couple sites with info on dismantling this cart that are VERY tricky looking.
--JP
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (10/17/08 7:04 PM) reply | + / - | Theres no sights for this... All I know is that i took off the tank and made the hole on top of the tank instead of the front.The pins are one is white plastic and the other side is metal. You pull them both out after you gentley remove the 2 springs.Just becareful with the wiper. I'll try and get a picture on this weekend so you can see...I went crazy when I figured this one out..
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (11/28/08 12:03 PM) reply | + / - | no there will not going to the 2600
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (11/28/08 12:17 PM) reply | + / - | SHe keeps pimping that site. It's pertty useless for most people.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (12/3/08 8:11 AM) reply | + / - | Hi, Moe. I was searching for some answers re: my HP 2600n and came across your dialogue. I am not a "techie" per say, but think I might be intelligent enough to try to get my moneys worth out of the cartridges that I buy. I don't necessarily want to start fooling around with refilling these myself, but would like to use up the ink that still exists in the cartridge, and I don't do big enough projects where I wouldn't notice the fade-out. Would you be kind enough to explain where the "window" is on the cartridge so I could either tape it over or white it out, just so I can finish the product I purchased. I find it very frustrating that the computer brain of the printer ( or some engineer at HP) determines what is usuable, not me. Thanks for any advice you can give me. I'll do more research before I buy my next printer. M
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JeffOYB (12/3/08 8:19 AM) reply | + / - | Hi Anon... I'd say that what you need to do first is to override your low supply cut-off setting. It's easy. (It's hilarious how they sell this info on eBay.) Sadly, I don't know the exact terms by heart but you can google it. You just go into the Settings in the printer's own display and override the cut-off. Then your carts print til they're empty! --JP
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by fishfingers (12/3/08 12:34 PM) reply | + / - | As previously posted
1. No need for a hacker to get around the print counter.
Page 94 of the User Guide has the following instructions for those who would like to use the toner beyond their replacement time:
Configuration
Cartridge Out Override can only be enabled from the printer’s control panel menu.
1. From the main menu, press (RIGHT ARROW) to System setup and press (SELECT).
2. Press (RIGHT ARROW) to Print quality and press (SELECT).
3. Press (RIGHT ARROW) to Replace supplies and press (SELECT).
4. Press (RIGHT ARROW) to Override out and press (SELECT).
5. Press (SELECT).
If Stop at out is selected, the printer will stop printing when a cartridge reaches the
recommended replacement point. If Override out is selected, the printer will continue
printing when a cartridge reaches the recommended replacement point. The factory default
setting is Stop at out.
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| Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by npweightloss (12/3/08 3:34 PM) reply | + / - | You have a great point. I use more black toner than color, but like having the color option. What would be a better choice for me in the inkjet department? I own my own business and print 10-20 pages a week. I've been getting remanufactured cartridges, but those are still steep especially if I could refill the inkjet ones. Any help??
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by rajeshwar (12/4/08 4:50 AM) reply | + / - | hi i am looking for 2400 dpi toner powder supplier with low price
rajeshwar
09000234565
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| Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (12/5/08 11:51 PM) reply | + / - | From above in Thread... It Worked...
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1. No need for a hacker to get around the print counter.
Page 94 of the User Guide has the following instructions for those who would like to use the toner beyond their replacement time:
Configuration
Cartridge Out Override can only be enabled from the printer’s control panel menu.
1. From the main menu, press (RIGHT ARROW) to System setup and press (SELECT).
2. Press (RIGHT ARROW) to Print quality and press (SELECT).
3. Press (RIGHT ARROW) to Replace supplies and press (SELECT).
4. Press (RIGHT ARROW) to Override out and press (SELECT).
5. Press (SELECT).
If Stop at out is selected, the printer will stop printing when a cartridge reaches the
recommended replacement point. If Override out is selected, the printer will continue
printing when a cartridge reaches the recommended replacement point. The factory default
setting is Stop at out.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by Gagan (2/26/09 9:18 AM) reply | + / - | I refill the all four toners and tested on 1600 printer it works absolutely as like as new.But when i put it in 2600n It doesnt work.Can anybody tell waz the reason behind that?
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by sporty98 (4/1/09 5:56 PM) reply | + / - | Okay, lets get some info correct and share some tips.
gagan, 1st the 1600 toner cartidges are the same as the 2600n, but the chip is a dedicated chip. you would have to put in a universal chip. i asume you are getting the 10.000 error.
Q6000a series toners.
Can be refilled one time and dump. then the parts are pretty much shot. so then the blade/ and drum if you are lucky will just need replaced.
dont forget the chip. Yes you can use the override. But often What I find is that using that override, even with dumping the old toner, that is such a small hopper and really does not hold all the toner, Thats why i think they limited the page count on the chip myself.
Also dont forget the 1600,2600n,2605 all have a known issue with the fading, magenta first then cyan on up.
It takes 2 hours to fix it if you dont screw it up, there is allot to take off and if you dont get the lens right, then its not gonna work right until you fix it.
If you are in a clean area, you might get 1 year or a little more before you need to take it apart and clean it. if you are a smoker or in a dusty work area, I would bet 5 to 6 munch before it needs cleaned.
The issue is, HP, really dropped the ball on this one, with not angling some of the optics and not sealing the mirrors from dust.
stati and uninet seems to have the best reman toner as well as for parts and uni chips. just keep that in mind for those who plan to atempts a refill and dump. Its good for one time, as the drum and some of the other parts are only good for so many cycles.
so, then buying cheap virgin oem empties is the way to go after you have doen your one time refill on these.
If you can do it right and take your time and get get toner and the virgin empty is not damed, worn drum ect ect.
Then it will be worth the investment to do it once. after that, throw it away and buy new or get some virgin eom empties and repeat.
Sporty
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| : Refilling HP 2600n.. by Anonymous (5/31/09 9:53 PM) reply | + / - | hi,
i have purchase one hp 2600n. i can make holes and refill, but how can i get the drum replaced? when its old.
thanx
rahul agarwal
09336117557
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| Re: : Refilling HP 2600n.. by kimosabe (6/1/09 1:26 AM) reply | + / - | dunno what to say about this one. Im up to 10 refills and my drum has never been refilled
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by sporty98 (6/1/09 6:30 AM) reply | + / - | http://www.emptiesnowonline.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=36
is a good place to get empties.
also drums can be gotten at other online sellers
since my post got removed and i was not contacted. I wish I knew what was in it to remove the post.
The drum is not as easy to remove. many have to hacksaw the drum off to replace with a new one. The drums are about $3.50 each.
The main issue is to be carefull not to cut into the pcr or blade. slding a piece of thicker paper under the drum and between the pcr is the best way to try and prevent damage.
the replacement drum is in two pieces, with a end cap and screw to put it all together.
With the drum also needing to be coating with some of the toner to prep it. so it will roll forward.
With thwe drum and blade facing up and the drum away from you, you must roll it forward , not backward to get it to work properly with the rubber blade.
10 times, wow. I have rebuilt many of these and I have seen the drum and blades usually go bad way before that. You would be one of the lucky ones.
The blade often fails after three or four times, they can be replace but they are tricky, for the gap is very important.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JeffOYB (6/1/09 6:55 AM) reply | + / - | Hey, Sporty, what's this about cleaning the lens?
I've seen this kind of maintenance mentioned online before but without sufficient details. Can you describe how to do it exactly? If not, do you know of a link to good info on this?
In short: is there other critical maintenance to do than just replace toner cartridges?
Thanks, JP
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by sporty98 (6/1/09 7:26 AM) reply | + / - | The 1600,2600,2605. Were all known to need the lens cleaned after awhile. due to the design.
Typically the magenta would go light first, then work it;s way up due to the lens placement.
Yes there is info on how to do the process. hp website under the forum, search for 2600 magenta fade. There is instructions posted there on how to do it.
But if you can not find it. get with me and I can send a copy to you.
If you are in a dirty or dusty area with the unit. then typically after a year they should be cleaned.
As it seems thats about what I have seen for a time frame when they need to be done. but in hoouse or clean work area. might be 2 to 3 years. It really all depends on the area the printer is in.
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| Re: Refilling HP 2600n.. by JeffOYB (6/1/09 11:10 AM) reply | + / - | Thanks! I recall that "Magenta fade" post on the HP Forum. I do not recall it having enough detailed how-to to it, but who knows maybe folks have added better info to the thread over time. I'll dig into it. Actually, I've kinda salvaged things for the time being with some replacement toners. (I did a couple refills myself then got refilled carts. Next time I'll get virgin empties, etc.) Their colors are a bit off but I've adjusted images manually when it matters. It's good to know this kind of maintenance stuff.
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